Some people don’t believe me when I try to warn them about the content creator grift. I don’t care, I’m coming for all of them if they start spouting shit like this to their audience. They have a responsibility towards their viewers.
Second time I see him tweet shit like this.
At this point he should just stop pretending he’s any sort of leftist. His mental health will thank him.
archive link so he can’t scrub it off the internet: https://archive.ph/XWZD6 (still loading as of posting but should be ready eventually)
I commented on the thread on hexbear but I’ll say it here for the sake of perhaps starting a conversation, I think linking cognitive capacity to people becoming reactionaries, is itself a reactionary and ableist idea. Has lead/covid/microplastics affected the cognitive capacity of the population? Yes, most likely, but this alone does not turn a population towards reaction. Being “smart” doesnt turn you into a communist, being disabled doesnt turn you into a reactionary.
Mental impairment for physical reasons certainly exists, and there can be little doubt that some (at least) of the unfortunate persons who suffer from it hold absurd views on politics and many other things. But in general, I am not convinced that defects of the physical complex from which arises cognition – which complex we call, without really understanding it, the “brain” – are as common or as all-determining as most persons make out. Such people, having a smattering of what they think is Science, apply it crudely and mechanically, and believe that in reducing everything to a second-hand formula they have realized materialism; when in in their failure to recognize a concept as anything but a withered husk, a conclusion without the living sap of argument or struggle, they merely reproduce in themselves the immediate substantial world of belief. Thus, in a kind of miscarriage of Spirit, they give birth, not again to the living, multifarious world around them, but to a kind of stillborn and distorted image of the same; and their attribution of all opposition to what their stillborn conception of Science considers the most fundamental defect betrays only the poverty of their own conception.
How often have we met persons who, though given every advantage of culture, have yet failed to realize a full and living conception of the world; and conversely, have we not met persons who, though lacking in all the usual advantages toward knowledge, have yet realized in themselves the world as becoming! When the new world is born from the old, and further, its Notion has born fruit in the whole concrete richness of life, its essence is easy to grasp; when the old still exists, externally the same as ever but with the old meaning lost or changing, to grasp the essence is difficult, since it seems, the most real thing, to be unreal, fleeting, and with no genuine relation to substantial life. Who grasps it must do so in struggle, heroic and human, in concrete time; which is to say, such a one must be at the apex of the embodied struggle; and here we find the full essence of what is commonly termed “environment.”
(Apologies for the language. I was trying to crack Hegel last night).
It’s telling that if you swapped out “right wing” for “left wing” in his post, it would be indistinguishable from eugenics style stuff that the right gets up to. So at a glance, it looks like pushing rightist ideology under the guise of “hello fellow leftists” (I don’t know much about him otherwise, so I don’t know what his other takes look like, if they are consistent with this look).
It’s the second time I’ve seen him tweet shit like this. I can probably dig up the previous time if I go looking in my discords.
I can understand being exasperated esp when you’re an somewhat known figure you probably get a lot of trolls and content of this sort sent your way, and sometimes you just quip something back at them. but to take the time to type out all of this and then decide “yes, I shall now send this. It’s a good idea” is something else.
Believe people when they show you who they are. Anyone can appear however they want when they control the camera, but posts like this are off-the-cuff moments where they feel like they’re talking to their friends around the campfire.
Here was the last time actually (archive):
his defense was the person in the video is a millionaire nepo baby so that makes it okay. Like again there’s a difference between saying “eat the rich” and making an entire eugenics screed over a video.
Yeah, wow, that’s wildly over the top. It also looks very forced from where I’m standing. I don’t look at that and see soullessness or anything, I see a couple of people who actually look very normal and human. And it’s important people understand that being rich doesn’t suddenly make someone a sociopath or something. Sometimes people do sociopath things in order to get rich, or maintain their wealth, but it doesn’t even necessarily mean they lack empathy. They could be very empathic to people in their social circle, while justifying their behavior as defending what they have, or be heavily insulated from the damage of what they do because of the layers of indirection involved in capitalism. There are also degrees of rich. Millionaire in this day and age can mean you had a high paying job, worked for decades, and saved well. Billionaire is you’re basically a king without the title.
That said, one of the most important things to internalize, I’d say, is that the inertia of systems is far more powerful than what a few individuals decide. Which is why the ML line is “seize the means of production” and not “literally eat the rich because they are subhuman”. There’s just nothing beneficial about encouraging that kind of thought. It’s at best wasted energy, directing people more toward fleeting, impassioned rage than long-term strategy. It’s the kind of stuff you say when you want to incite a riot, not organize a revolution.
They could be very empathic to people in their social circle, while justifying their behavior as defending what they have, or be heavily insulated from the damage of what they do because of the layers of indirection involved in capitalism.
These people don’t need to be humanized. They already have so much, too much actually, and will almost always act the way everyone expects them to act when reparations and transfer of means occurs. They will lash out, they will become violent, and they will hate you and every one else that isn’t within their immediate circle. There are so many people that exist inside and outside your country that are barely given a thought. The homeless begging for simple acknowledgment and being denied even that, the unnamed masses (the statistics!) that die every day in the periphery of the empire to preventable illnesses and starvation. The victims of wars that were the lab mice for the brutality that has finally begun to reach the empire’s doorstep.
So many more people deserve that sympathy that you’re giving to people that will treat exactly the way Marx outlined.
Add: ygpk is using hateful language and is using the talking points of eugenics in his posts. Everyone itt calling him out on his hateful behavior is correct. I only made my comment because I just don’t feel the need to direct sympathy towards the rich.
I don’t see how I gave them sympathy. The point is that they aren’t all ghouls whose eyes you can look into and see pure evil or something. It’s much more mundane and systemic than that and if people don’t understand that, they will be unequipped to properly challenge power; instead chasing after threats in the same way that liberals view Trump as an embodiment of evil and miss the evil behind the decorum of somebody like Joe Biden.
Rich people will tend to act in their class and caste interests, yes, which can be very blatantly, sometimes cartoonishly evil (more so in the billionaire class than somebody with a few million). That doesn’t mean you can look them in the eye and be unable to find signs of a soul. It doesn’t even mean that if you spent the day with them, you’d necessarily think they’re a bad person. And if you go in expecting it to be obvious that they are evil, you will be confused during the times when they aren’t.
I don’t need to humanize them. They are human. That doesn’t make what they are part of any less horrific. If people want to call em ghouls sometimes or whatever, hell, I’ve done that myself. But I see that more as venting. What I was talking about was a preoccupied screed about how subhuman a couple of random people are.
Your emphasis on the plight of the downtrodden is valuable, both morally and strategically. It needs to be emphasized just how bad it is for the oppressed. But that doesn’t negate what I’ve said, which was directed at a specific context, not meant as some kind of sympathy for the rich.
Sympathy isn’t a finite resource, just because I acknowledge the humanity of rich people (even tho on a personal level I detest them) doesn’t mean I acknowledge the suffering of poor people less. Like the person above said, being so performative about your hatred towards the rich is ultimately pointless.
I get it, I don’t believe anyone here is giving more thought to rich people than to others.
But if I can be so honest with you: these people probably don’t care about you, so why on earth should you care about them? So they’re at the receiving end of either unsavory or outright hateful rhetoric. Beyond calling out the use of hateful rhetoric, why should anyone go the extra mile and show them sympathy?
My personal opinion: ignore them like they ignore you
I know that “Just like le consumer franchise!” is a massive liberal meme, but this is essentially just the Imperial line of thought in Warhammer. If you’re spouting the same rhetoric as a satirically Uber fascist ethnostate, especially as a leftist, then you’ve officially lost the plot.
He’s one of the co-hosts of the Deprogram podcast and this eugenics take is simultaneously consistent with some of the edgy stuff that the hosts of the pod say for humor, and inconsistent because they usually hold the line on some basic things like queerphobia, ableism, misogyny, etc. (in a broad sense, they’ve probably always been flawed)
This isn’t the entire problem, obviously, but this is why I don’t use Twitter [beyond the garbage ui]. It’s basically what happens when you give people a way to say intrusive thoughts completely seriously.
This type of thing isn’t something ive thought specifically, but I’ve had plenty of bad takes in my head that I didn’t spread to an audience with 100% confidence. [For example: Having very strong opinions on the Turkish-Greek conflicts (despite being from neither country). Luckily beyond just disliking Rome and some snide remarks about how much I love that Ataturk renamed Constantinople, i didn’t say anything]. I’m sure there’s plenty of well meaning people who might have had similar thoughts to Yugo here, but didn’t say them.
The other issue is that Yugo should be better than this. It’s like what I said about 1dime recently. If this was a baby leftist then I’d be concerned but the thought would probably just be an impulsive thing that’s easily corrected. Yugo has an audience of thousands and should be well developed, ergo this thought is more concerning in him than anonympus user “libdestroyer9000”
Edit: more seriously, what’s the explanation for this? Taking this argument seriously has its own problems sure, but like…what biological factor would be at play here? Why would one place act like this and another not? Beyond just “stupid people.” Which definitely isn’t ableist at all
more seriously, what’s the explanation for this? Taking this argument seriously has its own problems sure, but like…what biological factor would be at play here?
lead poisoning most likely. despite it being a global issue I’ve seen this take before, ie. the yanks are still working through the generations that had their brains stunted by lead. I don’t claim this take but I’ve seen it a lot in anti-US spaces, though I kind of thought it was a meme tbh.
lead poisoning may or may not explain why boomers are the way they are (and may explain other negatively perceived behaviors that may be considered less political), but something like microplastics could easily ruin the next 100 years.
That wouldn’t be specific to chuds, though. It’d affect people across the spectrum and probably would hit poor people the hardest.
Maybe he’s casting an incredibly wide net over yanks and including most of them as chuds? It wouldn’t be incorrect to describe demographics in general as far more rightward in the states. I’m just trying to make sense of the statement and just seeing what sticks. Yugopnik says some pretty unhinged things and this might just be an utterly underdeveloped, spiteful thought.
You’re giving him way too much credit. If there’s widespread lead poisoning that’s causing cognitive decline for millions of people, there will be communists among those millions of people. To think otherwise is wrong for 2 huge reasons:
- You’re essentializing right wing ideology to the point that it’s impossible to think the people who believe in it could ever change, because based on this worldview the only people who believe in right wing ideology are biologically inferior.
- You’re making the in-group (communists in this case) think that they’re inherently superior to those who have something wrong with them at a biological level.
It goes without saying that leftists need to believe that change is possible; that doesn’t mean being naive about how hard that’s gonna be for American fascists, or even to believe that redeeming every single one of them is necessary. But you at least need to believe that there’s nothing that’s baked into reactionaries that makes them reactionary, or else you’re halfway to accepting an aristocratic and austere worldview where you set out to give comfort only to the sensitive and noble people, and nothing but hard labor to the brutes. In other words, you may as well drop Marx and pick up Nietzsche.
I think its worth dismantling the take, but I think I’m not the person who needs to read this. Still a good write up for the thread.
I used to donate to the deprogram podcast for quite a while until I realized they have some really fucking bad takes once in a while and they just don’t give a shit about it whatsoever.
One of their biggest errors is their position on the Ukraine war. Like so many western leftists, they have an unfortunate tendency to allow their (legitimate) criticism of modern Russia to cloud their judgement on the nature of the conflict. It certainly did not help that the only Russian they invited to talk to them about the SMO was from a fringe ultra-left group more concerned with opposing the Russian government than with what is actually happening in Ukraine.
For once i want western leftist commentators to invite someone from the KPRF, or someone from the DPR/LPR (there are even some locals from the region who make YouTube videos), or just a journalist who has been to that region on the Russian side during the SMO or the 8 year Donbass war.
I’m not in media like they are but even i could name at least three English speaking journalists off the top of my head who have visited the front line and spoken to people in the region and could educate them on what the people there really think, if they bothered to try and get into contact with them. It is really inexcusable that they haven’t tried to really educate their audience (and more importantly themselves) deeper on the conflict.
And they spend way too much time making cringy, infantile jokes. I get that it’s a podcast and you want to keep it somewhat entertaining, but come on, have some professionalism. At the very least they could add a woman as a regular co-host, because some of the jokes feel really inappropriate sometimes.
And they spend way too much time making cringy, infantile jokes. I get that it’s a podcast and you want to keep it somewhat entertaining, but come on, have some professionalism. At the very least they could add a woman as a regular co-host, because some of the jokes feel really inappropriate sometimes.
Sounds like the problem of becoming more “left” in belief but not interrogating what you grew up in and how it impacts you. I believe it’s very possible to be entertaining and even humorous without going for shock jock level of humor (which is what it sounds like the ballpark of by how you describe it). But you can’t assume that whatever joke comes to mind is fine just because. Sense of humor is informed by the culture like anything else. Figuring out how to be funny in a way that adheres to more newly adopted ideological principles takes more effort compared to the reflexes of the old, but it’s possible to figure out. The way I look at it, a good starting point is to assume that a joke is going to have an ideological bias and go from there, i.e. be conscious about the ideology it espouses. Don’t go into it with the belief that jokes can escape ideological influences, that they are “just a joke.” Jokes can have powerful rhetorical influence.
Are my tactics and strategy as a militant ineffective and in need of re-evaluation?
No, it’s the people who are biologically inferior.
This is what substituting a party for a podcast does to a mf. I’m so glad that Second Thought is in the red.
Are my tactics and strategy as a militant ineffective and in need of re-evaluation?
To be fair there isn’t a lot he can do about educating USians beyond posting in English on the internet (and I mean posting on the internet isn’t doing a lot)
The problem is precisely that he spends too much time talking to an American audience. There is a broader international audience out there than just America. Maybe talk about how people in Europe can organize. You have two out of three people on the podcast who are not from the US. Yet i hear little to nothing about the politics of their countries. The US centrism of the podcast is off the charts.
The US centrism of the podcast is off the charts.
Who do you think donate the most to podcasts?
What really hit the nail on the head is that the most likely reason why he’s not active in Serbia is that he has a cushy job at a big company and wouldn’t want to risk losing everything by being recognised as an open leftist activist
As always: look at where someone’s material interests lie. It’s the same with Hasan Piker. I still don’t understand why so many leftists continue to defend him when it is clear that his material interests now align with the substantially wealthy group of self-employed petite bourgeois that he surrounds himself with. That explains why he is so focused on Democratic party activism.
I think people like that he’s undoing anti-China propaganda, because it’s such a controversial topic you feel like somebody who does that has to be a comrade through and through, which isn’t true unfortunately
I think people like that he’s undoing anti-China propaganda
Is he? He keeps insisting that China did a “cultural genocide” on the Uyghurs, and he constantly talks about how China is too repressive of free speech.
Oh really ? I thought it was the opposite. Since I don’t actually watch him I based it off something someone said to me, and since he went to China and was interviewed by Li Jingjing I assumed it was true
ST does make good content tho idk what you got against them
ST =/= Yugo and deserves to be evaluated on their own meritHe makes cute 20min videos. They’re also massively expensive, take very long to make and not even that in-depth. Their call to action usually ends up being “donate”. I don’t hate him, but he’s just another careerist left influencer and maybe going bankrupt will mean he’ll re-evaluate his tactics.
Nah, sorry, this is just repulsive. I can only assume you’ve never experienced real poverty before because otherwise I can’t imagine how you could say something this vile.
I spent most of my childhood going to bed hungry and cold. Sometimes I still do as a self-providing adult. I don’t wish this on anyone else; certainly not my comrades regardless of whatever faults they have. I’m happy JT was able to get a better life for himself and his family. I might not like how he did it, but that’s a systemic issue - not a personal failing on his part. Most of us are trying to get ahead in life and there are only so many ways to do so without actually selling your soul and being as evil as possible. JT got lucky and I envy him for that. I wish as many of my comrades as possible obtain similar stability - myself included. God knows I can’t sit around and wait for the revolution to save me and you’ll forgive me if I don’t find life as an ascetic appealing just because I’m a Marxist.
Hakim come get your boy jfc.
I once saw a tiktok leftist saying similar shit (though he had a degree in psychology). I did warn him though in the comments that even if the scientific facts are what they claim to be, we still cant fall or use the same rhetoric as the nazis did. luckily he understood.
Very disappointing. The ReProgram.
My (unsolicited )opinion is that people here should debate rightists instead of criticizing fellow leftists.
- You’re going to have to prove to us that debating rightists actually accomplishes anything at all
- If you can’t combat eugenic speak in our own movement I have absolutely no hope that you will be able to combat it outside of our circles.
- You believe it’s useless ? Perhaps because you don’t see them immediately do a 180°-turn, “converting” to our side indecisive people would be useful as well. Criticizing the opposite side(, or denigrating people from our side for small sentences,) obviously seem less productive.
- Don’t take it so seriously man, he most likely doesn’t really believe that people are born to be far-right, it’s more of an insult saying that they were born with some innate cerebral deficiency, otherwise they couldn’t possibly develop such p.o.v.
And while i still believe that nurture is more influential than nature, i’ve also discovered that true twins were sometimes separated at birth, raised in two different families, and ended up despite that with remarkable similarities, forcing me to conclude that there may have been more to genetics that i initially presupposed.
In any case, don’t hate yugopnik for that while ignoring all the things he’s done previously. He’s on our side, remember ? Perhaps that not losing should be more of a priority that some “leftist purity”.
Well, that’s only my opinion, feel free to disagree 🤷
My POV is that yugo has a big audience and should be mindful of what he says, especially since he knows his audience is mostly baby leftists. And secondly Johnstone has herself gone on unhinged rants before:
She herself is a weird hodgepodge of liberalism and mildly progressive views. She’s said several times she’s not a communist and actively refuses to become one.
And when they’re called out for it they double down trying to “explain” how they were right and then never change. They have 0 material analysis, they’re just doing vibes-based politics. Is this how yugo wants to conduct politics with the masses? Would he publish this rant under a party name? If not, then why publish it on twitter under his own name? This is the kind of stuff you say with friends, and they gently steer you in the right direction.
Why are our idols now streamers and youtubers? Why do we care what these petty bourgeois enthusiasts who try to make a living taking money from baby comrades think about how struggle is conducted? Of course they’ll defend their petty-bourgeois views when it comes down to it. That’s what makes them money. Viki herself took a long break because she made, you guessed it, deeply ignorant remarks.
Yet they call for left-unity and expect us to side with their shit views and opinions, sweep them under the rug, while they continue on thinking and spouting whatever words they want. But it’s us, the marxist-leninists, that have to be on our best behavior around them.
Like I don’t know, I don’t always have the right takes and I’ve made comments to people on the internet that I regret. I apologize to them and talk to friends to understand the problem and synthesize my own conclusion from it. I don’t tell more principled people that they’re the ones who need to change and not me, cause that’s what they’re doing here. Coming from caitlin and vicki, it’s deeply selfish and self-centered to say this. They think because they’re big names with an audience that automatically makes them right and everyone else wrong.
When Lenin said “Among the Jews there are workers, toilers, they are in the majority. They are our brothers, comrades in the struggle for Socialism, because they are oppressed by capitalism. Among the Jews there are Kulaks, exploiters, capitalists, just like amongst us all,” he preceded it with:
Only entirely uneducated and completely oppressed people can believe the lies and slanders which are being spread about the Jews. These are survivals from the times of serfdom, when the priests burnt heretics at the stake, when peasants were trampled upon and were blind. But these dark survivals of serfdom are disappearing, the people are beginning to see.
Notice Lenin didn’t say “you must have faulty genes if you believe otherwise you disabled r-word”.
Criticism and self-criticism is a core component of marxism to progress forward. Normally it implies we find issues to remedy and then remedy them, so we all progress together. In this case, I’m not really sure where to even begin. I think it speaks for itself (esp. the “now I’m not calling them the r-word, just the diminutive that’s acceptable in your circles :)”)
But people don’t deserve to have their shit takes swept under the rug just because they’re nominally on “our side”. He chose to publish this on Twitter and leave it up, what are we supposed to do? Smile while he continues saying whatever unhinged shit crosses his mind that day under the shower, never getting challenged for it? What example does this set for the new leftists that watch him, who start to think communism is just about appearing edgy and being counter-culture?
I want to leave one last thought; you suggest to debate rightists, but why not rightist views and right deviationist views? Not everyone who calls themselves a communist is immediately our comrade, people don’t suddenly develop all the correct theory and ideas as soon as they proclaim themselves to be a marxist.
I wrote a long answer(, in which i agree with a lot of things you said, it was well-written and thank you for taking such a long time), but i won’t post it since you banned me.
I just want to say as my last words that i could have banned you for saying that C.Johnstone is a liberal with midly progressive views, or that yugopnik is defending petty-bourgeois views, clearly crazy opinions. Of course i wouldn’t do that because everyone makes mistakes, but i could have, and you think it couldn’t happen to you but i wouldn’t ask for your opinion, you’d just be banned whether it’s just or not.
Bye.
I didn’t ban you.
Actually i was the one one who reported you and got you banned. It was for using the r-slur then implying its acceptable"its the official terminology" despite it being horribly offensive and archaic. This is why I left the post explaining areas of growth that you should focus on.
Getting people banned brings me no pleasure but you were spiralling.
It really depends on the criticism. I remember when I used to hang out on “left” twitter, on occasion I’d see stuff where it was like telephone game style personal spats that were impossible for an observer to follow and understand, and so it was more just the kind of conflict that might have been resolved with a proper sit-down and mediator, or at least clarified better what the problem was.
This case is pretty clear though just from reading the one tweet itself. It’s a problem of ideological line and that’s something we do need to crit in each other. Otherwise, we’re just doing the liberal thing of going along to get along:
To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_03.htm
Self-criticism is common practice among MLs:
Wells: Unfortunately, I have various engagements to fulfil and I can stay in the USSR only for a week. I came to see you and I am very satisfied by our talk. But I intend to discuss with such Soviet writers as I can meet the possibility of their affiliating to the PEN Club. The organisation is still weak, but it has branches in many countries, and what is more important, the speeches of its members are widely reported in the press. It insists upon this, free expression of opinion – even of opposition opinion. I hope to discuss this point with Gorki. I do not know if you are prepared yet for that much freedom . . .
Stalin: We Bolsheviks call it “self-criticism”. It is widely used in the USSR. If there is anything I can do to help you I shall be glad to do so.
Unprincipled criticism, backbiting, etc., can be a problem:
To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one’s suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one’s own inclination. This is a second type.
But strong unity of the ML kind is forged by working through problems, not paving over them with social niceties in public while holding onto resentments in private (that’s liberalism).
If people don’t denigrate him,bit criticize him in a friendly manner then i have no problem. It’s just the all too common “character assassination” i have a problem with(, especially for such little things, and even more among leftists). If it’s just an occasion to discuss about the influence of genetics on behavior then i have zero problem with this, i just hope that people here won’t suddenly hate yugopnik just for that, which is probably unlikely to happen, so i shouldn’t have concerned myself with it.
I don’t generally try to operate on hate, myself. Except maybe for the most obvious exploiters of the world, but then it’s more incidental hate as a result of finding out what horrific shit they’ve done, than an active preoccupied effort to hate. Hating someone takes energy. I’d rather put my energy into working out how to dismantle systems of oppression.
I am suspicious of people who purport to be on the left and say stuff like he did though. I feel I have good reason to be, given the history of internet-based “leftists” who are bad at sticking to a clear ideological line. It’s possible he can be corrected on this and change his ways, but his position as e-celeb (however small the level of celebrity may be) makes it harder to directly engage in criticism with him, as peers. So we have to correct and warn people as we can.
He just said that people on the right are so stupid that it ought to be a cerebral deficiency at birth, coming from genetic causes.
If i’m not mistaken he’s often shitposting, it’s an insult, that’s all, not that deep, nor someone calling covertly for eugenics.This sounds a lot like the “schrodinger’s douchebag” excuse:
One who makes douchebag statements, particularly sexist, racist or otherwise bigoted ones, then decides whether they were “just joking” or dead serious based on whether other people in the group approve or not.
A person who decides if they were being ironic or not base on how people react to it
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger’s+douchebag
Anyway, insults are not just insults. They carry ideology with them. If I were to use a slur against you, it would be carrying water for the ideology of that slur, even if I don’t actively believe in it myself.
it would be carrying water for the ideology of that slur
That the far-right is mentally removed
Yep, that would be a problem. Directing it at rightists doesn’t give it the characteristics of leftism. It’s still got the rightist stench clinging to it. This is why it’s so important to interrogate reflexes even long after conscious beliefs change. Our habits do not change overnight based on what we believe in.
proclaims unity
Uses divisive ableist language
Do better
Citing Viki is a bad idea considering how she ended up supporting Israels genocide.
doesn’t really matter when people are being shot dead on the streets chief
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i think you’re giving these (influencers) people too much credit fr
tell them bad take go to the self crit corner and think about what you’ve done
Unfortunate take. There are plenty of rich and powerful people who benefit. There is a really shit education system, failing millions. There is an absurd amount of propaganda.
I think this is a logical conclusion if one believes “brainwashing” on mass is a thing for an explantion of the bourgoisie proleteriat; it will lead to a biolgical determinist rationale for resistance to being “unbrainwashed” and then it’s a short hop from that to eugenicism echoing essentially fascist sentiments.
Instead consider a more dialectical materialist take:
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
Ie narratives as a social license for bigotry along imperialist and settler colonial lines because at some level that individual benefits from those material conditions. The material always come before the idea.
(There’s all sorts of other problems with yugopnik’s take - like folks with learning difficulties who don’t lean right wing, removing the agency of the fascist, using ablism to explain fascism, where these Nietschean takes of the untermenschen comes from etc etc)
Don’t drink and tweet, Yugo.
Why is he treating it as a mystery? America literally did allow a thought-terminating virus to run rampant. There’s also our deliberately poor education. We have answers to this, Yugo. It’s not some incomprehensible phenomenon.
+ 40 years of cold war propaganda + times of heightened contradictions + living in the heart of the empire itself.
The CW propaganda was wild, someone once told me people in the USSR were “miming” working at the factory line (like the line was empty and they just mimed work) because there was nothing to produce. Like what? How does that even make sense lol. They were older, probably heard this as a kid in school. It was a real generational shock for me hearing this.
Yeah, it’s frustrating hearing this. We need to remember to stay vigilant ourselves. None of us are immune to thought-termination and propaganda.
USA is cringe for sure but I cannot imagine looking at what Americans do and thinking that the country is uniquely worse at critical thinking than the rest of world. Sure, their education system and the people coming out of it are abysmal considering its the wealthiest country in the world. But there are tangible reasons for it, like the underfunded public education system. I look at the people around where I live and most of them are not good at critical thinking either. It is not something that is taught in general.
The other sad thing is what made him surface this thought is the rambling of a weird nazi on X, the everything app. That platform is a cesspool of all varieties of fascists who inhale oxygen just so they are able to make atrocious bad faith posts on it. Now Musk even pays them for it. Content creators cannot fathom leaving that website because a big chunk of their self worth and income is tied to their follower count. Don’t use that website that all. Otherwise don’t use it to survey national mentual acuity. Just be normal.
