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Antizionism is not inherently antisemitism but is commonly co-opted to peddle antisemitism especially online. No one worth your time outside of zionist nationalist circles are saying that speaking out against Israel is a hate crime, and to say such feels very disingenuous. Most American Jews, especially young American Jews, are actively opposed to the Israeli government and it’s war crimes and actively discuss this stuff. Saying this however only serves to feel like a minimization of very real antisemitism and makes Jews feel unsafe and alienated away from discussing this with you even as a potential ally.
No one worth your time outside of zionist nationalist circles are saying that speaking out against Israel is a hate crime, and to say such feels very disingenuous.
There is literally someone IN THIS THREAD doing exactly that. You suggesting this tactic isn’t commonplace is what I personally find to be disingenuous.
It’s not my job to protect the feelings or emotions of other adult human beings. Either you are willing to stand on your positions, and justify them or you are not. Society doesn’t owe blanket protections over all ideas coming from marginalized or minority groups without first evaluating their context or their substance.
Society doesn’t owe blanket protections over all ideas coming from marginalized or minority groups without first evaluating the context or the substance.
I wonder if you’d say the same for other marginalized groups and have this big of a questioning mentality if they weren’t Jews when they ask others to be mindful of times that might be used to perpetuate harm against them.
You can play the victim all you want, but my point still stands. A person’s religion, nationality, or any other form of identity has no bearing on either the value or the quality of their ideas.
Ideas must stand on their own merits, and if they do not bear up to scrutiny then they should be disregarded even if that means offending the person who produced them.
There is nuance here that to ignore completely is not only contributing to antisemitism but is just factually incorrect. That’s not how antisemitism works. White passing Jews are still Jewish, and still experience antisemitism. To say they don’t is antisemitic.
Britain committed genocide against the Irish, but do you really think there is still racism against the Irish ethnicity? Times change. The Irish are white now, because whiteness is like that. New ethnicities are recoded as “white” in order to maintain white power structures.
And so white Jews become white, while non-white Jews are still discriminated against for being Semitic.
To say that white Jews are not white is, honestly, racist. It’s just white people trying to appropriate the oppression of non-white people.
So, I guess Tree of Life massacre wasn’t racist nor antisemitic because most of the victims were “white” Jews. Nor was the Charlottesville riot. Or the synagogue firebombings. Or the antisemitic slurs I’ve been called online and offline. Thank you for taking the time to educate me about my own oppression, how very kind of you.
Antizionism is not inherently antisemitism but is commonly co-opted to peddle antisemitism especially online. No one worth your time outside of zionist nationalist circles are saying that speaking out against Israel is a hate crime, and to say such feels very disingenuous. Most American Jews, especially young American Jews, are actively opposed to the Israeli government and it’s war crimes and actively discuss this stuff. Saying this however only serves to feel like a minimization of very real antisemitism and makes Jews feel unsafe and alienated away from discussing this with you even as a potential ally.
There is literally someone IN THIS THREAD doing exactly that. You suggesting this tactic isn’t commonplace is what I personally find to be disingenuous.
It’s not my job to protect the feelings or emotions of other adult human beings. Either you are willing to stand on your positions, and justify them or you are not. Society doesn’t owe blanket protections over all ideas coming from marginalized or minority groups without first evaluating their context or their substance.
I wonder if you’d say the same for other marginalized groups and have this big of a questioning mentality if they weren’t Jews when they ask others to be mindful of times that might be used to perpetuate harm against them.
You can play the victim all you want, but my point still stands. A person’s religion, nationality, or any other form of identity has no bearing on either the value or the quality of their ideas.
Ideas must stand on their own merits, and if they do not bear up to scrutiny then they should be disregarded even if that means offending the person who produced them.
“Marginalized”
White Jews are white, with all the privileges that entails.
And you know that… how exactly?
Tell that to the Jews at the Pittsburgh synagogue.
That privilege is conditional and nuanced, Judaism is an ethnoreligion. They experience antisemitism very much so.
The white ones experience white privilege. The antisemitism is reserved for Jews from Asia and Africa.
What was the holocaust then?
There is nuance here that to ignore completely is not only contributing to antisemitism but is just factually incorrect. That’s not how antisemitism works. White passing Jews are still Jewish, and still experience antisemitism. To say they don’t is antisemitic.
Britain committed genocide against the Irish, but do you really think there is still racism against the Irish ethnicity? Times change. The Irish are white now, because whiteness is like that. New ethnicities are recoded as “white” in order to maintain white power structures.
And so white Jews become white, while non-white Jews are still discriminated against for being Semitic.
To say that white Jews are not white is, honestly, racist. It’s just white people trying to appropriate the oppression of non-white people.
So, I guess Tree of Life massacre wasn’t racist nor antisemitic because most of the victims were “white” Jews. Nor was the Charlottesville riot. Or the synagogue firebombings. Or the antisemitic slurs I’ve been called online and offline. Thank you for taking the time to educate me about my own oppression, how very kind of you.