To be fair, I’m not aware of any fediverse instances or other reddit alternatives that even have an appeals process. Reddit might be throwing away its best features, but it is a feature its competitors don’t even have yet.
And get re-banned if you post on the first instance from the remote. You can still be kicked out of communities because of misunderstandings and power tripping admins.
That was possible on Reddit too. Every single sub with overbearing mods could have been replaced at any time with an alternative. A bunch of alternatives tried to get off the ground, some succeeded more than others, but most never overcame the original, if they ever picked up at all.
It’ll be the same way here. If the community doesn’t leave the original home because they’re “settled there”, alternatives will not grow.
This entire migration from Reddit should make it it very, very plain how utterly impossible it is to get large groups of users to move. Reddit is all but whipping them with jumper cables right now and they’re still using it.
You can’t just expect communities to move because the admins suck. You have to actually attract them there.
Yeah, I haven’t used Lemmy in a month because this site is more transphobic than Reddit. I’ll be here more now that Reddit isn’t an option, but it’s not like I think this place is good either. Lemmy needs to step up its game.
I haven’t used Lemmy in a month because this site is more transphobic than Reddit.
Well that’s very disappointing if true. Could you give an example?
Btw, just to be clear-- Lemmy isn’t “one site,” so you’re likely to get a wide range of reactions depending on issue/cause where you happen to be (communities, instances).
Look at my sub c/chaotesvspatriarchy. I created it on Reddit, moved it to Lemmy during the protests, and gave up on it after a while because lemmy.world users would see trans memes and downvote.
c/twoxchromosomes@slrpnk.net is also an absolute terf magnet that I tried to get shut down
The worst I’ve ever seen in 20 years is Horatio on the “Battlefront” forum on Ars Technica. The very definition of a “Little Caesar Bitch.” He was Microsoft’s Semper Fi Guardian, and an absolute cunt. He lobbied very, very hard for his mod status, and blatantly abused his power over anyone who criticized Microsoft in any way. I’m convinced he’s really Steve Ballmer.
Yeah, but that doesn’t matter when the rules of dbzer0 prohibit prosocial behaviour. It’s against the instance rules to insult someone for being a nazi.
Hang on, you think dbzer0 is Ableist, I really don’t see how since he basically just explained that the rules aren’t black and white and that it’s a case by case basis. Nor how the users or dbzer0 itself is fascist by your opinion. I like to give people a chance but you must understand this seems very baity and kind of like trolling.
Yeah I’m 100% certain you are a troll who provides very little value to this platform.
Lol this is the person who was trying to argue the other day that narcissism was a disability that should provoke sympathy, rather than a negative trait that should be called out and worked on. So according to that logic, we should we feel sorry Donald Trump because of his narcissism now and not despise him, to use a topical example. I guess it’s subjective but I’d call that sort of argument a form of gaslighting. Like they’re saying, it’s not the narcissists who are the problem, it’s the people who don’t understand the narcissists who are the problem. Keep yelling into the wind buddy.
Donald Trump has not been diagnosed with NPD by a licensed psychiatrist who had an interview with him. That is the requirement to say that a person has NPD. Currently, there is no clinically valid evidence that Trump is a narcissist. To say otherwise would be medical malpractice.
I made a meme about that thread and posted it to !autism. Many autistic people agreed that dbzer0’s behaviour is a common problem faced by autistic people.
Honestly, I don’t think a message board has to have one. If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community? If they’re not, then you’re probably not a good fit for the community and the mod doesn’t have to deal with trolls and angry back-and-forth’s.
That isn’t to say what Reddit did isn’t wrong. They established that system and they have a culture of appeals. Suddenly removing that isn’t really fair from a “social contract” or whatever perspective.
To make sure nonsensical posts, for example from tankies, get countered.
Why are any of us entitled to that though? If they don’t want us around then they can show us the door. To use (at least to me) a better example: why should LGBT communities have to allow people to debate them on whether or not it’s a choice? If they don’t want to, they shouldn’t have to. They may just want a corner to be together and chat.
We aren’t entitled to a debate if people don’t want to participate you know?
Protest is a fundamental part of a functioning government, a functioning society, and a functioning community. I’ve been a mod on queer forums, and I always gave people a way to argue their case so long as they were engaging in respectful debate. I would tell people the boundaries and make sure they followed them. For example, if someone wants to say I’m not really nonbinary, I’ll argue the point with them because it’s my duty as a community leader, but I will establish they must gender me correctly and not use slurs for the duration of the debate, even if they disagree. They’re welcome to make their disagreement while respecting me, and usually they couldn’t manage that balance and I banned them. They would run out of patience before I did. It is absolutely essential that community moderators have an abundance of patience.
But not everyone wants to mod that community and not every community wants that debate to be happening. I am very grateful for your work and I have run communities that encourage discussion as well, but it’s not really a moral imperative or legal requirement or anything. Every community has its own culture, tone, rules, expectations, etc.
Again, I think it’s great that you run a community that operates like that and I think those discussions are very important and good for our society. Thank you for doing it, truly. But not every single Internet community has to allow extensive debate.
You and I have very different ideas about the moral responsibilities of people in authority. I think it’s essential that leaders be held to a higher standard in all cases.
I guess, it’s all good. I just feel like if I ran a PTSD board I shouldn’t have to allow folks who deliberately trigger people under the guise of debate and such because they “follow the rules.” I’m not saying that you would allow that, I just think that is much more at the forefront for me. I really do respect your position and I’m glad we have you running communities.
If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community?
Because the size of a community matters, and they’re not fungible. Back on reddit, my city’s subreddit was run by power-tripping mods. Sure, I could try to create an alternative – and somebody actually did – but it had multiple orders of magnitudes fewer users than the original sub and almost nobody would actually see what you posted there, so what’s the fucking point?
The entire reason I wanted to comment in the original sub was to try to politically persuade and influence people in my city. Censoring me from that sub was extremely effective even if alternatives theoretically existed.
Well, I don’t use Reddit anymore – it has joined the list of oligarch-owned shit that I’m boycotting (along with Facebook and Twitter). And yes, I do participate in local politics IRL.
But that still doesn’t invalidate what I wrote. The fact is that these platforms have too much fucking power as de-facto replacements for the public forum, and whether you refuse to use them or you get kicked out from them, it marginalizes you in a very real way that affects the real world. That’s a problem even if the possibility exists to go commune with other rejects on a platform the majority don’t give a shit about.
Not to mention, if I had a nickel for every real-world event hosted by a real-world local government, community, or activist organization that I missed because it was only advertised on Facebook, I’d have a big pile of nickels.
Oh I completely agree these platforms have too much power. Zero argument here. I’m just saying on an individual basis you have other options. But yeah i get what you’re saying
It doesn’t have to have a fair appeals policy, but an instance that has an appeals policy is one that you would probably want to join more. So an instance should have a fair appeals policy, because that’s what the users who use the instance want - assuming the instance wants users.
As for what reddit did, there’s a lot of pulling the rug out that you’re casually ignoring. Reddit is what it is because of the users that contributed to it. In spite of Huffman talking about “their dataset”, they don’t actually own the data - it belongs to the users, reddit merely has a license.
Now, reddit is trying to change the rules - as a user, you’re no longer in charge of the subreddit you created and became moderator of anymore, you’re expected to serve “will of the users” (as defined by reddit admin), the users you attracted to the house you built. Reddit was founded on the idea “if you don’t like it, make your own space, and users will flock towards the better one”.
Reddit changed the moderator code of conduct. And yet, if you strictly apply the moderator code of conduct as they sometimes do, it completely undermines many of the bans that reddit admin also enforce. They’re hypocrits, now all they want is to exploit everyone that put them where they are.
Well in this case, my best guess is I’ve been banned because I contacted a mod team that doesn’t want to hear from me. Problem is, they’re leaking sensitive chats from back when I was a mod and using them to attack me on other platforms. I asked them to stop. I’m a victim of harassment, but they probably reported me and the Reddit employees don’t care enough about doing their jobs to investigate. I’ve been in situations like this before, and I was able to resolve it through the appeals process. But that’s not going to happen if they don’t tell me precisely why I’ve been banned or let me appeal it.
Most instances have some way of contacting the admins and talking things out. Unlike Reddit’s “did anyone even read this?” process, they tend to be actual people who actually answer.
No, they don’t. You can’t contact the admins from an account you can’t log into, and you can’t log into a suspended account. Also, your PMs won’t be seen by any user native to a remote instance you’ve been banned from, including admins.
Clown company doing clown things.
To be fair, I’m not aware of any fediverse instances or other reddit alternatives that even have an appeals process. Reddit might be throwing away its best features, but it is a feature its competitors don’t even have yet.
On the Fediverse, you can go to a different instance.
And get re-banned if you post on the first instance from the remote. You can still be kicked out of communities because of misunderstandings and power tripping admins.
Every online community I’ve ever seen has it’s fieflords.
At least with lemmy, if mods / admins regularly over-step, alternative communities can easily replace them.
That was possible on Reddit too. Every single sub with overbearing mods could have been replaced at any time with an alternative. A bunch of alternatives tried to get off the ground, some succeeded more than others, but most never overcame the original, if they ever picked up at all.
It’ll be the same way here. If the community doesn’t leave the original home because they’re “settled there”, alternatives will not grow.
This entire migration from Reddit should make it it very, very plain how utterly impossible it is to get large groups of users to move. Reddit is all but whipping them with jumper cables right now and they’re still using it.
You can’t just expect communities to move because the admins suck. You have to actually attract them there.
A good point well made.
Yeah, I haven’t used Lemmy in a month because this site is more transphobic than Reddit. I’ll be here more now that Reddit isn’t an option, but it’s not like I think this place is good either. Lemmy needs to step up its game.
Well that’s very disappointing if true. Could you give an example?
Btw, just to be clear-- Lemmy isn’t “one site,” so you’re likely to get a wide range of reactions depending on issue/cause where you happen to be (communities, instances).
Look at my sub c/chaotesvspatriarchy. I created it on Reddit, moved it to Lemmy during the protests, and gave up on it after a while because lemmy.world users would see trans memes and downvote.
c/twoxchromosomes@slrpnk.net is also an absolute terf magnet that I tried to get shut down
You are probably on a transphobic instance. Try to go on an LGBTQ+ instance, there are a lot of them. Example: https://lib.lgbt
The worst I’ve ever seen in 20 years is Horatio on the “Battlefront” forum on Ars Technica. The very definition of a “Little Caesar Bitch.” He was Microsoft’s Semper Fi Guardian, and an absolute cunt. He lobbied very, very hard for his mod status, and blatantly abused his power over anyone who criticized Microsoft in any way. I’m convinced he’s really Steve Ballmer.
Lemmy.dbzer0.com has an appeals matrix channel 😁
Hey db0, love your instance
Yeah, but that doesn’t matter when the rules of dbzer0 prohibit prosocial behaviour. It’s against the instance rules to insult someone for being a nazi.
Sorry I don’t think that’s exactly true
Yeah, I decided to ask. And I found that the admin is ableist and the users are fascist.
Hang on, you think dbzer0 is Ableist, I really don’t see how since he basically just explained that the rules aren’t black and white and that it’s a case by case basis. Nor how the users or dbzer0 itself is fascist by your opinion.
I like to give people a chance but you must understand this seems very baity and kind of like trolling.Yeah I’m 100% certain you are a troll who provides very little value to this platform.
Lol this is the person who was trying to argue the other day that narcissism was a disability that should provoke sympathy, rather than a negative trait that should be called out and worked on. So according to that logic, we should we feel sorry Donald Trump because of his narcissism now and not despise him, to use a topical example. I guess it’s subjective but I’d call that sort of argument a form of gaslighting. Like they’re saying, it’s not the narcissists who are the problem, it’s the people who don’t understand the narcissists who are the problem. Keep yelling into the wind buddy.
Donald Trump has not been diagnosed with NPD by a licensed psychiatrist who had an interview with him. That is the requirement to say that a person has NPD. Currently, there is no clinically valid evidence that Trump is a narcissist. To say otherwise would be medical malpractice.
I made a meme about that thread and posted it to !autism. Many autistic people agreed that dbzer0’s behaviour is a common problem faced by autistic people.
https://lemmy.world/post/6622412
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Honestly, I don’t think a message board has to have one. If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community? If they’re not, then you’re probably not a good fit for the community and the mod doesn’t have to deal with trolls and angry back-and-forth’s.
That isn’t to say what Reddit did isn’t wrong. They established that system and they have a culture of appeals. Suddenly removing that isn’t really fair from a “social contract” or whatever perspective.
Example: To make sure nonsensical posts, for example from tankies, get countered.
Same example: I an not supposed to disrupt their little get-together-with-bullshit.
Why are any of us entitled to that though? If they don’t want us around then they can show us the door. To use (at least to me) a better example: why should LGBT communities have to allow people to debate them on whether or not it’s a choice? If they don’t want to, they shouldn’t have to. They may just want a corner to be together and chat.
We aren’t entitled to a debate if people don’t want to participate you know?
Protest is a fundamental part of a functioning government, a functioning society, and a functioning community. I’ve been a mod on queer forums, and I always gave people a way to argue their case so long as they were engaging in respectful debate. I would tell people the boundaries and make sure they followed them. For example, if someone wants to say I’m not really nonbinary, I’ll argue the point with them because it’s my duty as a community leader, but I will establish they must gender me correctly and not use slurs for the duration of the debate, even if they disagree. They’re welcome to make their disagreement while respecting me, and usually they couldn’t manage that balance and I banned them. They would run out of patience before I did. It is absolutely essential that community moderators have an abundance of patience.
But not everyone wants to mod that community and not every community wants that debate to be happening. I am very grateful for your work and I have run communities that encourage discussion as well, but it’s not really a moral imperative or legal requirement or anything. Every community has its own culture, tone, rules, expectations, etc.
Again, I think it’s great that you run a community that operates like that and I think those discussions are very important and good for our society. Thank you for doing it, truly. But not every single Internet community has to allow extensive debate.
You and I have very different ideas about the moral responsibilities of people in authority. I think it’s essential that leaders be held to a higher standard in all cases.
I guess, it’s all good. I just feel like if I ran a PTSD board I shouldn’t have to allow folks who deliberately trigger people under the guise of debate and such because they “follow the rules.” I’m not saying that you would allow that, I just think that is much more at the forefront for me. I really do respect your position and I’m glad we have you running communities.
Because the size of a community matters, and they’re not fungible. Back on reddit, my city’s subreddit was run by power-tripping mods. Sure, I could try to create an alternative – and somebody actually did – but it had multiple orders of magnitudes fewer users than the original sub and almost nobody would actually see what you posted there, so what’s the fucking point?
The entire reason I wanted to comment in the original sub was to try to politically persuade and influence people in my city. Censoring me from that sub was extremely effective even if alternatives theoretically existed.
But your city has other communities on other platforms and local social meetups. You don’t have to use Reddit.
Well, I don’t use Reddit anymore – it has joined the list of oligarch-owned shit that I’m boycotting (along with Facebook and Twitter). And yes, I do participate in local politics IRL.
But that still doesn’t invalidate what I wrote. The fact is that these platforms have too much fucking power as de-facto replacements for the public forum, and whether you refuse to use them or you get kicked out from them, it marginalizes you in a very real way that affects the real world. That’s a problem even if the possibility exists to go commune with other rejects on a platform the majority don’t give a shit about.
Not to mention, if I had a nickel for every real-world event hosted by a real-world local government, community, or activist organization that I missed because it was only advertised on Facebook, I’d have a big pile of nickels.
Oh I completely agree these platforms have too much power. Zero argument here. I’m just saying on an individual basis you have other options. But yeah i get what you’re saying
It doesn’t have to have a fair appeals policy, but an instance that has an appeals policy is one that you would probably want to join more. So an instance should have a fair appeals policy, because that’s what the users who use the instance want - assuming the instance wants users.
As for what reddit did, there’s a lot of pulling the rug out that you’re casually ignoring. Reddit is what it is because of the users that contributed to it. In spite of Huffman talking about “their dataset”, they don’t actually own the data - it belongs to the users, reddit merely has a license.
Now, reddit is trying to change the rules - as a user, you’re no longer in charge of the subreddit you created and became moderator of anymore, you’re expected to serve “will of the users” (as defined by reddit admin), the users you attracted to the house you built. Reddit was founded on the idea “if you don’t like it, make your own space, and users will flock towards the better one”.
Reddit changed the moderator code of conduct. And yet, if you strictly apply the moderator code of conduct as they sometimes do, it completely undermines many of the bans that reddit admin also enforce. They’re hypocrits, now all they want is to exploit everyone that put them where they are.
Ehh . . sort of?
Appealing a ban for a social media post is . . . I dunno. Weird.
Well in this case, my best guess is I’ve been banned because I contacted a mod team that doesn’t want to hear from me. Problem is, they’re leaking sensitive chats from back when I was a mod and using them to attack me on other platforms. I asked them to stop. I’m a victim of harassment, but they probably reported me and the Reddit employees don’t care enough about doing their jobs to investigate. I’ve been in situations like this before, and I was able to resolve it through the appeals process. But that’s not going to happen if they don’t tell me precisely why I’ve been banned or let me appeal it.
I gave it up. ✌🏼
Most instances have some way of contacting the admins and talking things out. Unlike Reddit’s “did anyone even read this?” process, they tend to be actual people who actually answer.
No, they don’t. You can’t contact the admins from an account you can’t log into, and you can’t log into a suspended account. Also, your PMs won’t be seen by any user native to a remote instance you’ve been banned from, including admins.