@sinbad@mastodon.gamedev.place very much Abrash-level depth

@agersant@mastodon.gamedev.place 😆 it really does look like a 3rd party published 3e book

@britown@mastodon.gamedev.place 😆 that’s the one i was most excited about too. i’ve had a GH FFIX for ages that i’ve been dying to replace

@GuyDudeman@beige.party no idea what kinds of games you like to play. FF7 was my first.

@yesterzine@topspicy.social interesting! yes, this would be at the new building they built in the 90s

two weeks ago i posed what i thought would be a rather straightforward historical research question, which went unanswered. i wondered: what did the people of the middle ages (peasants, villagers, blacksmiths, monks, abbots, knights, etc) think of technological change in their time? was it seen as a boon for replacing manual labour? a threat to everyday craftspeople and craftsmanship? a new evil at odds with moral duty to god?

just cobbling together a reading list to begin answering the question was itself a week’s worth of work. finally, today i began finding direct answers to the question in Frances and Joseph Gies’ “Cathedral, Forge and Waterwheel: Technology and Invention in the Middle Ages.”

while everyday people like serfs and peasants beliefs are not covered due to a lack of historical records, its early chapters provide some insight from the medieval monastic orders. the answer? the various churches were openly ambivalent, but *not* openly opposed to technological change and invention.

Why did the churches not openly embrace technologies?

… for many years monastic orders like the Benedictines and Cistercians saw manual labour as critical for self-sufficiency and spiritual development. When technologies that allowed for reduced manual labour became available, monastic orders began questioning their potential value in relation to their relation to God.

Why did monastic theologians not openly reject technologies that would relieve them of physical burdens?

… because most of these orders retained an old Greek suspicion and distaste for what Aristotle called “banaustic arts” (or utilitarian arts like crafting and manual labour. These were seen as important for living, but a distraction from intellectual life. Technology’s promise was that it could relieve a monk from the banaustic realities of carpentry and millwork and stonemasonry, and let them practice prayer and writing and intellectual pursuits without time/energy-consuming distractions.

A picture of the middle ages is beginning to emerge that is not unlike our own in modernity: technology was seen in relation to its potential for reducing labour. what is different between then and now is that a person’s relationship with God was at stake in the middle ages. few today believe that manual labour “keeps us honest”.

in other words: technology in the middle ages was understood as both spiritual and instrumental

#history #medieval

@timixretroplays@digipres.club 😂

@kwramm@mastodon.gamedev.place totally agree!

@billgoats@bitbang.social i fear that most of the civilized world has forgotten too. i found them dirt cheap at thrift shops. i doubt they’re still in print, but thankfully they are dirt cheap from used book sellers

how could i forget these two absolutely hilarious and informative illustrated texts on medieval and 18th century life.

i’ve had them sitting on the shelves for years, and realized they make a compelling visual reference

#bookstodon #illustration #books

adding two incredible finds to this medieval technology reading/research bibliography: Cathedral, Forge and Waterwheel by Frances and Joseph Gies. The bookseller immediately recognized it and exclaimed “I appreciate a writer with the common touch!”

The second book - Tavistock Abbey: A Study in the Social and Economic History of Devon by HPR Finberg was an accidental find. While it does not speak to technological change in the late middle ages, it speaks to the social and cultural life of an abbey and its surrounding village.

#books #bookstodon

adding to the aforementioned bibliography of books concerning the intersection of the 15th-19th centuries and technological change. found them at a local used bookstore.

web searches for broad topics like this are often fruitless. a good library or academic bookstore already has this presorted by topic.

#bookstodon #books

@pixel@social.pixels.pizza now that i look at it, it kinda makes sense. almost all of the boards are running TBBS or wildcat or something else that is built for multi-node. i bet the only reason these mega-boards got a lot of votes is because they had a ton of readers/users.

@foone@digipres.club i’m fascinated that the Pleasure Dome shares the same name as an austrian hacker board which was famous as well https://demozoo.org/bbs/2949/

@mjgardner@social.sdf.org 😎

@ve3qbz@mastodon.radio it’s a very different kind of game, but boy does it feel great - it really nails the experience of creating a transportation network

@ve3qbz@mastodon.radio :\ frustrating. same thing happened with chris sawyer’s Transport Tycoon series.

@ve3qbz@mastodon.radio 2 was a travesty. iirc, it was developed by a third party company. most of the game was completing “missions” and it completely lost the joy of just building on the landscape

answering my own question yesterday re: heideggerian technological change and the first industrial revolution:

there does not seem to be any specific agreed upon text that covers the above historical question - however, i’ve cobbled together a patchwork of related readings:

Miller, Adam. (Dissertation). Enframing and Enlightenment:
A Phenomenological History of Eighteenth-Century British Science, Technology, and Literature. https://ir.vanderbilt.edu/bitstream/handle/1803/13807/miller_adam.pdf?sequence=1

Finberg, H.P.R. Tavistock Abbey: A Study in the Social and Economic History of Devon.

Gies, Frances and Joseph. Life in a Medieval Village.

Gies, Frances and Joseph. Cathedral, Forge, and Waterwheel: Technology and Invention in the Middle Ages.

Gimpel, J. Medieval Machine: The Industrial Revolution of the Middle Ages.

Landes, David S. The Unbound Prometheus: Technological Change and Industrial Development in Western Europe from 1750 to the Present.

Mantoux, Paul. The Industrial Revolution in the Eighteenth Century.

McNeil, Ian. An Encyclopaedia of the history of technolology.

Toynbee, Arnold. Lectures on the industrial revolution of the 18th century in england. https://archive.org/details/LecturesOnTheIndustrialRevolutionOfThe18thCenturyInEngland

#academicMastodon #history

@ve3qbz@mastodon.radio couldn’t agree more.