The Democrats never actually opposed fascism, they just invoked it because they knew it was unpopular. The problem of the Democrats is that you can’t constantly run on things you have no intention of following through on, without having voters stop believing you eventually.
The Democrats never actually opposed fascism, they just invoked it because they knew it was unpopular.
Yep, and Lemmy totally fell for it. Then turned around and shunned the people who refused to fall for it.
Lemmy is getting what they deserve for blindly worshiping the Democratic Party.
Third-party is the way to be free from this nonsense!
Welp, Duckworth just lost my vote.
It’s not like the guy they voted for is a rare qualified pick from the Trump camp.
It’s David Purdue, a failed pillow company CEO, as well as ceo for other textile companies. More recently he dabbled in politics as a Republican senator from Georgia, failed gubernatorial candidate, 2020 election denier, climate change denier, and generally an idiotic sycophant.
The textile experience gives him a small amount of plausibility as a choice, but everything else far outweighs that. Just another loser grifter in Trump’s orbit.God damn, how many more failed pillow company execs does he have left?
I was wondering same!
Maybe it’s something to do with hotels…?
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All the politicians are paid by the same billionaires.
But the blue ones say they are my friend and the red ones do not.
Can you fight them as hard as they fought you
Nope
Filibuster maybe?
Only when there’s nothing pending
Procedural moves that slow them down
Nah
Could you at least not vote to enable them
Votes to enable them silently with intense eye contact
What the fuck can you do?
Pulls out phone, texts you for $20 for their battle fund
Jesus fucking christ
It’s time for the US to form a centrist party, instead of people having to choose between far right, right, and far left.
The dems are the centrists. We need an actual left party.
Only with the extreme Overton shift in the US. Democrats may be more progressive than Republicans, but that’s really not saying much. Most actual Democrat policy is right of center, to the frustration of representatives like Sanders and AOC.
its already center right, no need for centrism.
Still, what the USA needs is a left party, not a centrist party.
The Socialist party already exists?
Yep, and I was happy to vote for them. And will continue to do so. I have no clue why Lemmy refuses to. Practically everything the Socialist party stands for is what Lemmy says is what’s needed.
Yet come election time, Lemmy was all, “Vote Dems or you’re a traitor!”
Then sported a shocked pikachu face when they lost. lol
OK, then what the USA needs is a left party with funds and good advertising.
while the MSM is mostly owned by conservative, they will make sure any other party dont get press.
They’re centered in terms of being centered against Republicans not left vs right
Where is this “far left” you speak of?
Like where is any party saying to abolish private property, arrest the billionaires, and give the entire means of production to the working class?
Nancy Pelosi queen democrat literally said we live in a free market after making her 200 million playing stock market games.
Every single democrat, Bernie and AOC included, just gave full-throated support to Biden as he presided over the greatest wealth transfer in history.
What far left? You mean the “far left” that continues to support the surveillance state in the US or the “far left” that continues to support the total destruction of Gaza? I can keep going, those are only the first two that came to mind.
I don’t get this whole Gaza thing. Seems you Americans are distracted by Gaza well your own house is burning down around you. Take care of the house fire first.
While what’s happening in Gaza is horrific, it’s sadly far down on the list of grievances against the so called “far left” in the US. It was just one that came immediately to mind. They’ve also had no problem with “Citizens United” which allowed unlimited money in politics, they’ve continued to support the police state in the US, a lack of any meaningful movement on healthcare.
Joe Manchin is no longer a Senator but he used to be considered a “centrist”. He was a fucking coal barron who used his influence to get his daughter a made up MBA, she in turn was CEO of Mylan when they jacked up prices on the life saving Eli-pen.
The US only has a far-right party and a further right party. When has the Democrats ever advocated for anything at all left of center, other than Bernie’s Medicare for All, which since most nations on earth have some government provided healthcare, is more centrist, than center-left.
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But if we vote/advocate third parties, or converse in conservative spaces or .ML, .Lemmygrad*, on Lemmy, we’re trolls or shills. 🤮
This is the time for third parties. I get why people were saying not to talk about them during the election but now is the time because it’s obvious that the Dems continue to not have a spine.
Absolutely agreed. And I’m not sure the better alternative to Reddit is a “federated” platform where the mods highest priority seems to delete comments that call the Democrats what they are: nice Nazis.
Blue MAGA
Yet I keep hearing from y’all (world users) “wahhhhh we need to blindly back the Democrats” and “When the dems elect someone significantly more right than Kamala like Shapiro or Fetterman we need to blindly vote for them”.
Exactly! The time for third parties is between elections. 😜
I get why people were saying not to talk about them during the election
But the Dems lost by such a large majority that even if every single third-party voter had voted for Harris, she would still have lost to Trump. So censoring us then wasn’t any better than censoring us now.
Non-voters cost the election, not third-party voters. People need to fucking stand up and stop sucking the Democrat Party teets. They don’t care about you any more than the Republican Party cares for you.
If everyone who is bitching about the Dem party threw their support behind a third party, then the Dems would finally realize that they need to change their ways.
Until then, Dems are just gonna keep losing.
It was obvious every election cycle since FDR too. It’s past time for us to stop crossing oceans and moving mountains for those who won’t jump a puddle or molehill for us. Politicians, I mean. I’ll still cast my vote to help the “sane liberals”, conservatives, and marxists who would let me starve in the streets or drop dead in the fields while harvesting their food, or in their bathroom I may be cleaning at the time.
And yet, the 3rd parties themselves don’t seem to do anything until the Presidential election year. If they were serious, they’d be out there now, putting up candidates in the much-easier-to-win midterms, talking about how they’re really different from the entrenched parties. They don’t. They only come out of the woodwork and put up spoiler candidates for President.
Not committing self harm isn’t equivalent to Moving Mountains etc. This is the whole problem with that standpoint. Yes the genocides that the United States Russia and China are committing are inexcusable. They were also not actually on the ballot. There was no one who stood a chance of getting elected that was going to make those better. But there was one that vowed to make things worse. And they won. Like many of us said they would. There is no single one group that deserves credit for that victory. But the margin of votes was with in single digit percentage. It wasn’t moving a mountain.
I’m not here to accuse you of being happy with the outcome. But can you admit that you might have been taken advantage of. That your sincere Ernest desire to see things fixed may have been manipulated and taken advantage of to your own detriment and the determent of people you care about. Because I can tell you 100% that fascists, leninists, and other groups absolutely we’re stirring the pot. Not caring about who got hurt.
I have no problem with anyone talking to them and trying to de program any of those groups. What I do have a problem with, are people repeating propaganda and being manipulated by these groups to get everyone hurt. We are here.
As an anarchist I wish to see all national parties disbanded and abolished. Democrat, republican, green, libertarian, vanguard. And you’re not wrong that a lot of this has been going on since and including FDR. He should have actually tried and hung everyone found guilty of being involved with the business plot. Instead of making backroom deals to get Social Security Etc passed. Something which the people he spared said about to immediately after it’s passage, gutting it.
The sad thing is, that Democrats deny their role in the failure, just as many of the so-called people on the left who spent so much time attacking them. But as they say success has many fathers, while failure is a bastard.
You’re only worried about the immediate future. Which, yes, is bad. But many refusing to vote for the DNC are doing so because they’re complicit in enabling this bullshit political atmosphere where people are so tired of bullshit politicians who do shit like break a record to “stand up to trump” and then vote to confirm his appointee. So they either give up on voting altogether or are willing to vote for a literal dictator and the DNC’s response is to fight harder against progressives than it does trump. Then in response to losing runs someone whose message is “nothing will fundamentally change.”
So, yeah, if people had completely abandoned the DNC like they should have, maybe we wouldn’t have ever seen it get this bad. But they’re happy with it this bad. They get to pretend they care and keep making money. So yeah, there are plenty of people who refuse to vote for them because they’re happily helping to destroy democracy. (Including suing to remove 3rd parties from ballots, yay!)
Are you implying that the kidnappings torture and persecution are only short-term? Do you not understand that we will have to win back our basic rights at this point. Not just for our immigrant friends and family, but all minorities? That seems a really obtuse and uninformed viewpoint. Which I’m hoping it’s just a misunderstanding on my part. And that that’s not your actual stance. This shit is serious and not short-term. We will be suffering this for Generations.
I mean unless you have some Surefire non-vanguardist radical action in your pocket or something.
Literally just said I know it’s bad. Not implying it isn’t. I’m saying the DNC has been actively working towards this even being possible for years. Because they only need to run hitler -$50. And they’re happy with that. They would rather lose to Trump than lose any money. And that’s why people stop voting. And that’s why Trump is fucking even possible.
I’m just fucking tired of people defending the DNC. They’re just as big of a part of the problem as republicans.
The voters are as much to blame as the dnc. Stop trying to push all the blame on to them. So which is it and be clear. Am i only concerned about short-term shit. Or is this shit meaningful and you’re just flip-flopping wildly. Twisting in the wind trying to pin everything on Democrats and nothing on you or anyone else like you.
The sad thing is, that Democrats deny their role in the failure
Yes!!!
When have people (outside isolated trolls) accused 3rd-party advocates of being shills? If the “Tanky Triad” only supported an end to “first-past-the-post” voting, that would be one thing. But when I visit, I’m inundated with propaganda championing fascists who want to ignore reality and bend the population to their will. That’s not liberalism, and it’s certainly not Progressive Politics…
When have people (outside isolated trolls) accused 3rd-party advocates of being shills?
Take a look at some older posts from before the election. It was a fucking witchhunt on third-party advocates. Every single one was accused of being a paid russian shill. Every. Single. One. lol
When I am accused of such things, I tend to doxx myself as Yevgeny Prigozhin. Claiming to be a primary source within Wagner has its uses.
Ha! I forgot about that dude! He was in the news a lot back in they day!
Of course. It is a closely guarded Russian secret that I escaped by parachute. The mighty Putin went through great effort to fake my death.
That’s how extreme some Lemmy’s were for sure! lol
I’m not even sure if you’re joking or not, but you do know he’s dead, right?Edit: Nvm, you’re joking.
some older posts
Do you have some examples? Like I said, all I experienced was disingenuous comments.
Just type in “Jill Stein,” or “Green Party” in the search function, and pick c/politics from the months before November. That’ll be enough, because in those threads, even talks of other third parties, were madly downvoted and people were banned left and right. lol
That’s also why the other poster commented on it. Even in this very thread you see a lot of people bitching about third parties. But it’s way more acceptable to talk about it now than it was then. It was fucking crazytown here before the election! lmao
So… Still no sources. Not one…
What? Did you even do that?
https://feddit.org/post/2903837
https://feddit.org/post/3522938
https://feddit.org/post/3041220
And that’s just a light start. Those comments were tame. The closer it got to the election, the more rabid people got if they found out u were voting third party.
I know dude, I was there. Back then, term “Russian shill” was used as much as “Nazi” and “Fascist” is now. Even the Dems here will probably admit things were heated. It was crazy how much mistrust and accusations where flying around. Russian shills, propaganda, bots, lots of people were accusing lots of people being those things.
Seriously, just look around at the threads in those time periods, besides the ones I posted. It was fucking crazy. You can even ask the mods here. They even mentioned how difficult it was modding things.
They even locked several posts down because the comments were getting too crazy.
Aside from Jill Fucking Stein, I still don’t see evidence that wide swaths of people were advocating against 3rd parties in general. Yeah, there are definitely credible allegations against her, and both Putin and the GOP absolutely took advantage of her spoiler status in the election. Maybe you think she sat at the table with Putin himself without knowledge of him using her?
https://beehaw.org/post/19739290 sorry, I originally thought your comment was itt. ^
Yep! Lemmy loves to complain about the Democratic party, but as soon as ya mention third-party, you’re banned from everywhere for being a troll. Or Lemmy’s other fav insults: Nazi and Fascist. They’ll even say we’re paid to talk about third parties.
At this point, Lemmy is getting what they deserve. They’ll lost next presidential election to if they don’t wake the fuck up. :)
Lemmy: The time has come for a new third party! One made up of honest working class people, with infinity time and money between elections to campaign starting now. Oh also you need to go from 0% to 51% in one election cycle or just scrap the whole thing.
Yep, exactly this! lmao
Guillotine Party. A Democratic version of the Tea Party. Don’t promote a third party; replace the current one from the inside out.
Promote electoral reform. Something we can do one state at a time.
Its not electoral reform or state action that we need. Its the DNC. Their policies and positions support the billionaire Problem Class. The Guillotine Party needs to decapitate the billionaire class and their political lapdogs in the Democratic party.
The funny part is that this is an actual centrist position: there is broad bipartisan support for attacking the oligarchs. If the Democrats would actually go after them, the GOP would have to do the same. We would end up with two parties focused on class warfare instead of none.
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
jfc.
Trump ran as a Democrat at one point. Just vote for him, the rules are the rules.
Unironically that would have prevented all of this, yes.
This is what primaries are for. If you vote up or don’t vote, it’s a vote for fascism.
primaries
Ha.
You pretending they do not exist does not change reality. Presidential is not the only race, nor is it even the most important overall
Pretending that the primaries (when they happen at all) are fair doesn’t mean they are.
The party went to court and successfully argued that they don’t have to run honest primaries. Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.
So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?
Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.
Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.
So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?
All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.
Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.
Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.
All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.
,yes? that’s literally my issue. It’s advocating to not vote, which is russian propaganda driven and only serves to reduce real ability to fight fascism in favor of grandstanding online as a keyboard warrior.
Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.
That is not a common practice. It happens, yes. But it’s not common
It’s rich v. poor, y’all.
And the Rich have convinced the Poor that Harris, the Tax-the-Rich Candidate, was the corrupt one.
I mean… It is until it isn’t. I wonder how many rich people were either tossed aside, or killed by Hitler.
This is not the same. Wealth is way more concentrated.
They will end up in camps anyway. At least they will deserve it.
Feckless.
You DONT Understand! They COULDNT do ANYTHING except Vote to Confirm because they NEED Donations!
Donate harder and maybe they’ll consider doing something!
Including Cory Booker… 🤷♂️ 🙄
Was everything he did recently just as performative as with MAGAts??
Way to put up roadblocks and speedbumps when it really counts Dems… Feckless Fucks. 🖕 🖕
Keep that energy, know your enemies, all of them.
Never forget, next time they do a performance remember!
Of course it was performative, it all is.
Yes it was! And please look in folks’ comment histories, the tankies were the first ones to call this out.
No shit it was. He wants to run for president and he knows that stunt will make headlines but this will be buried in comments where the headline is “16 democrats vote for trump nominee” (aka exactly what is happening here)
Booker is classic neoliberal, no ethics or morals, guided by money and power. 10-15 years ago he was deeply in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry because they are huge in NJ. Then his aspirations went higher and he realized that association was harmful, at that point he had connections that made him no longer reliant on their cash, so he shed them. It’s not growth, it’s a calculated move
I wonder who he’s going to pretend to date for his next run.
I recall that he was also in favor of charter schools, which made him non-viable for me years ago.
I hoped that maybe he had a real change of heart last month, but I guess that was just a publicity stunt.
I had hoped he was going for redemption. Feckless moron doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of being president
This time it’ll be different. You’ll see.
Of course it was. It was just a political stunt to pump up his street cred as a warrior, in advance of an eventual announcement for a presidential campaign.
Then he votes for the MAGA Nazis.
He’s a collaborator.
so blocking the appointment of the U.S. ambassador to China, in a vote they can’t win looking at the numbers, helps the revolution how?
Because its not about winning, its about taking a stand.
You don’t give NAZI TRAITORS a single vote of support for ANYTHING. They are Nazis, they are the most corrupt and treasonous administration in American history, and any support is collaboration, even a single vote.
and how far should it be taken? shut down the government? occupy buildings?
All of that and more.
Way more
how will you vote
how will you vote?
It gets taken as far as required to crush MAGA, bring their treasonous, corrupt leaders to justice, and purge MAGA from our government, society, and the world.
MAGA is literally the same as the German Nazis of the 30s and 40s, and they will be operating death camps, just like their heros. They are already building a camp in Guantanamo Bay to hold 30,000 people, out of the sight of the media and the courts. They’ll send foreigners to El Salvador, but they’ll send Americans to Gitmo.
Are we supposed to wait until they have killed millions, and have people say “Gee, why didn’t someone stop them before it got that far?”
how will you vote?
David Perdue not the worst option. Former politician, former CEO of Reebok. At least it’s a businessman and not a Xenophobe, any aggression between the US and China I think will be very squarely not his fault.
