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This is a dumb post
Yeah. All of these chicken sandwiches tastes different, and I like having choices.
It’s like getting mad at different fast food restaurant for all selling hamburgers.
Huh… good point, i didnt think about it like that, and it kinda does bring the whole post down into something like “old man yells at cloud” kinda thing but with the twist being more like “Young snowflake yells at chicken burger”.
But i think the point being made in the meme its still valid, that being the chase for infinte grow doesnt really promote innovation, instead it just promotes copying what already works while not really improving the thing and not making peoples lifes better, and that they would rather do that than to invest into something that could make peoples lifes better because that wouldnt make as much money ore would be to risky, but i feel like this is more aplicable into artistic industries like movies and music or even with tech industries, while in gastronomy it really is just offers more variety, otherwise what? You would have to get the same chicken burger from the same corporation and thats monopoly and its bad. Probably a better example would have been with smartphones, specially the apple ones.
Sorry for the rant btw, i just got al this realizations in my brain and had to dump them somewhere.
But i think the point being made in the meme its still valid, that being the chase for infinte grow doesnt really promote innovation, instead it just promotes copying what already works while not really improving the thing and not making peoples lifes better
I think the meme is unintentionally making the opposite point. All these chicken sandwiches don’t taste the same. I enjoy spicy chicken so I’ve tried a handful of them, and there’s marked differences in flavor. There still is innovation, in trying to create the tastiest spicy chicken sandwich. If they all tasted the exact same, I’d agree.
I said the one its trying to make, not the one it ends up making.
The one it ends up making its just the example i gave earlier, that being “Young snowflake yells at chicken burger”
Don’t worry about the rant, we’re all here to chat about whatever. Most of us, anyways.
You would have to get the same chicken burger from the same corporation and thats monopoly and its bad.
Yeah, many people have an objection to Chick-fil-A due to their um… views, and they should have the option to get a greasy fried chicken sandwich somewhere else. (Or on Sundays)
but i feel like this is more aplicable into artistic industries like movies and music or even with tech industries
It’s more that the people who are funding these who don’t want to take risks, right? Many of them are trying to replicate what works due to the aversion for risks, instead of trying to make something that’s good.
Yes thats all true, im aware that not everyone whants or even needs to pursue innovation and that is good, not everybody is steve jobs nor james cameron nor they should be, but it does become a problem when they copy way to much, like for example disney movies, How many movies have had a main character become grumpy because they lost a loved one? Im talking indiana jhones, luke skywalker, han solo, obi wan and nick fury i hear even if i hadnt really seen their series and i heard that in hounted mansion movie too, hell two of those are the same actor.
They are just copying what has worked in the past ( i think its the Logan movie they are copying but im not sure) and made products with doubius quality while burning thons of money without making any of it back, specially with indiana jhones wich seems to be the biggest bomb ever.
They could have used all those billions into making something good or just straight up donate it to charity, or just spend it in something with a better return of investnent like heroin, but they thrown it from a bridge chasing trends, making no bodies lifes better nor happier and probably had an impact on the market somehow, even though fuck the market, but a lot of people other than the super rich do eat from it.
Or at least thats my perspective on this. Again sorry for the length.
I don’t see how selling a similar looking chicken burger means there’s no innovation. Innovation in how the end product looks is just one form of innovation, and there are many more. Innovation in marketing, innovation in management practices, innovation in ingredients and sourcing, innovation in kitchen effiency, innovation in customer interaction, innovation in franchising and corporate structure, innovation in restaurant design, innovation in niche capitalization, innovation in novel products to attract groups, and I’m sure many more I can’t think of.
Cmon m8, with all due respect dont be debating semantics.
Of course there are diferences in the burgers and the entities that sell them, after all they are not made by the same people, the idea is the same in the product, and a chicken burger is not really a concept that should be judged with it being original or not, kinda like oatmeal or hooks or screws, like of course there are diferences, but that wasnt the point this dumb meme was trying to make, it was that companoes just copy each other in the pursuit for endless revenue and dont like totake risks in products that could make peoples lifes better, thats what its trying to say, now what it acctually says its that “capitalism bad cuz same chicken burger junk food” and ends up falling on its face and looking more like an “old man yells at cloud” kinda deal, but instead of a clowd its chicken burgers and instead of old man is a young snowflake.
Yeah I get the idea, “right wingers say capitalism leads to innovation yet these chicken burgers all look the same”. My point in semantics was to say there is a lot more to innovation than the appearance of the end product.
it was that companies just copy each other in the pursuit for endless revenue and don’t like to take risks in products that could make people’s lives better
That’s still not a valid point. There are all kinds of products being released all the time that make people’s lives better. (Don’t mistake that for claiming that all products from all companies make people’s lives better, or that capitalism is the only way to have that happen.)
Im just gonna copy and paste another comment i already made about that:
Yes thats all true, im aware that not everyone whants or even needs to pursue innovation and that is good, not everybody is steve jobs nor james cameron nor they should be, but it does become a problem when they copy way to much, like for example disney movies, How many movies have had a main character become grumpy because they lost a loved one? Im talking indiana jhones, luke skywalker, han solo, obi wan and nick fury i hear even if i hadnt really seen their series and i heard that in hounted mansion movie too, hell two of those are the same actor.
They are just copying what has worked in the past ( i think its the Logan movie they are copying but im not sure) and made products with doubius quality while burning thons of money without making any of it back, specially with indiana jhones wich seems to be the biggest bomb ever.
They could have used all those billions into making something good or just straight up donate it to charity, or just spend it in something with a better return of investnent like heroin, but they thrown it from a bridge chasing trends, making no bodies lifes better nor happier and probably had an impact on the market somehow, even though fuck the market, but a lot of people other than the super rich do eat from it.
Or at least thats my perspective on this. Again sorry for the length.
The bit about “capitalism promotes innovation” doesn’t mean that every product offered by every company is going to be some total game changer.
Im just gonna copy and paste another comment i already made about that:
Yes thats all true, im aware that not everyone whants or even needs to pursue innovation and that is good, not everybody is steve jobs nor james cameron nor they should be, but it does become a problem when they copy way to much, like for example disney movies, How many movies have had a main character become grumpy because they lost a loved one? Im talking indiana jhones, luke skywalker, han solo, obi wan and nick fury i hear even if i hadnt really seen their series and i heard that in hounted mansion movie too, hell two of those are the same actor.
They are just copying what has worked in the past ( i think its the Logan movie they are copying but im not sure) and made products with doubius quality while burning thons of money without making any of it back, specially with indiana jhones wich seems to be the biggest bomb ever.
They could have used all those billions into making something good or just straight up donate it to charity, or just spend it in something with a better return of investnent like heroin, but they thrown it from a bridge chasing trends, making no bodies lifes better nor happier and probably had an impact on the market somehow, even though fuck the market, but a lot of people other than the super rich do eat from it.
Or at least thats my perspective on this. Again sorry for the length.
Keep buying in to the illusion of choice, good little consumer.
Good little consumer?
That’s Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!
Oh shut up, as if Margot Robbie eats cheap fast food and stans for fast food chains.
Except this is actually choice.
Not really it’s all chicken in bread crumbs with some basic veg.
You may not know this but each of these establishments serves other things besides a breaded chicken sandwich.
Furthermore, what do you want from the world? Would you prefer to be fed the same government issued protein paste every single day?
Would you prefer to be fed the same government issued protein paste every single day?
How the fuck do you get that from me saying a few different ways of cooking chicken (Or beef for that matter) isnt really innovative?
If you generalize enough, everything is the same as everything else. It’s all just protons, neutrons, and electrons.
bro really thought he said something 😂
Keep eating cheap trash for far more than it’d take to make yourself and enjoying it. Keep being a good little consumer. All those chicken sandwhiches definitely aren’t all factory farmed and cost the company pennies when they charge you dollars. Keep simping for trash, it’s kinda’ cute.
You really think people are paying the money for restaurants because they’re not aware that it’s cheaper to make food themselves?
My guy
What?
They’re all cheap shit food.
“but they taste different!” Is fucking pathetic.
Yup, honestly food is a cornerstone of the human experience. Having different options and exploring different things is generally great.
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Even though I disagree with the statement “capitalism breeds innovation”, this is poor way to demonstrate that it’s bullshit.
Of course a chicken sandwich isn’t going to appear fundamentally different from Popeyes to KFC. They’re also not the only items that these restaurants sell.
The idea is that these restaurants exist as some kind of better option over a local mom & pop sandwich joint with higher unit overhead. Whether or not the value proposition is sufficient for you is personal.
It’s also an example of something capitalism does well. Those chicken sandwiches are not interchangeable, and you can buy the one that best suits your taste and budget, plus competition generally keeps the quality pretty good.
Capitalism ruins a hell of a lot of things that really matter, but not chicken sandwiches.
Exactly. I’m as “last stage capitalism” as they come (okay maybe not extreme) but this image is a terrible take.
All those varieties saw a market that demanded a product. Companies innovated and are selling the products and making a profit.
I feel like the OP missed the point. A better example would be to show pure monopolies like ISPs. The fact we’re paying hand over fist for subpar internet is an example of innovation not working.
If you think any fast food restaurant is quality then I would go learn to cook.
See, unfettered capitalism is completely fucked, but this is a bad example. It would be like getting a bunch of different coffee brands and putting them together like this and saying the same thing.
Coffee is coffee.
Chicken Sandwiches are chicken sandwiches.
There are bigger issues with capitalism that are worth discussing instead
While I agree with you, I think it’s meant more symbolically but Lemmy being Lemmy everyone here is going to take it literally
I don’t get it, how much can you possibly do to differentiate a chicken sandwich? There’s plenty of issues to discuss but you can do better than this, come on.
Fast food has a lot more competitive aspects than just the actual food, marketing, other unique products to draw customers in, location, branding, kitchen effiency, customer retention, franchising structure, ingredient sourcing. The public facing stuff is also the easiest to copy so that’s why a lot of those things are similar.
The fuck is this shit meant to mean?
It’s an illusion of choice. You’ve got eight different corporations spending billions of dollars in “Pick Me!” marketing campaigns, but its all just the same sad looking chicken sandwich.
We can see in the pictures there are differences between the sandwiches though.
It’s also a chicken sandwich, there are limits to what can be done.
there are differences between the sandwiches
All the ingredients for those sandwichs come from Sysco. You get some minor variation in preparation style, but you’d get that as a matter of course from a thousand independently run sandwich shops anyway. Corporate ownership of the real estate and IP does nothing to increase diversity or improve quality.
that’s not fair! our sandwich has a sauce that is formulated to be the closest we can get to chemically addictive without the FDA nuking our headquarters!
“How dare there be more than 1 type of chicken sandwich! Under socialism there will be 1 chicken sandwich and people will be happy!”
What do you want when you order a chicken sandwich? Do you want them to give you a burger?
Can’t you see that OP wants a chicken sandwich when they order a chicken sandwich? /s
They taste distinctly different. I like spicy chicken sandwiches so I’ve tried a couple of these. Burger King’s tastes like they just slapped a bunch of ingredients together and wrapped it up. McDonald’s actually tastes and feels like a chicken sandwich. Popeye’s has a very buttery mouth feel, and the bun is a lot more flavorful and rich.
I get what the meme is trying to say, but this is a poor example of it.
I will have to respectfully disagree on the McDonald’s chicken sandwich. No idea how they made fried chicken taste so bland, but they did it.
It isn’t amazing, that’s for sure.
They’re all terrible for you and made with diabetus.
Yeah but they taste good sometimes! You’re missing the point lol you want me to be healthy? That’s actually pretty nice
I want everyone to be healthy. Which is why this being the most widely available affordable food is a travesty.
No shit, you’re not supposed to eat this stuff all the time. The same could be said if you were making fried chicken sandwiches at home.
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it needs infinite innovation and growth otherwise capitalism is failed. no chicken sandwich evolution = doomed philosophy
I don’t get the claim that capitalism requires consistently infinite growth, I would agree some parts of the current monetary system liked constant money supply growth benefits from it- but that’s not a necessary trait of capitalism.
Capitalism (here meaning a market economy dominated by a powerful investor class) breeds a dozen different companies trying to differentiate themselves with minor variations. Sometimes those variations lead to actual, legitimate improvements that are then spread throughout the industry.
Most of the time it just leads to one wondering what the fuck the difference is between ‘Cheerios’ and ‘Cheery Os’ in the cereal aisle at the grocery store.
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I’m a fan of Chi Ryos. Delicious with a bit of soy sauce.
It’s Cheer? Reee! …Oh’s for me. Half a cup sautéed with butter and garlic then smothered with beef gravy-- Exquisite.
Popeyes putting their fried chicken on Brioche with a decent sauce was an innovation, at least for fast food. It was sold out at most locations in CA when it launched. The BK and KFC both copied it.
Popeye’s is damn tasty. Very buttery feeling and the brioche is so good.
Maybe it’s because this is posted in c/politicalmemes but I think y’all are thinking to deeply about something that should be a mild chuckle and then moving on.
Capitalism takes innovation and beats the life out of it to flog the corpse for a quick buck. The thing that made KFC special wasn’t the blend of herbs and spices (that they don’t even fucking use anymore and you used to be able to buy ready mixed at the shops) it was the new innovative cooking technique that they immediately tossed in the trash because it was cheaper to just throw it all in a deep frier like everyone already did.
I think you’re all missing the point, half of these places were known for hamburgers, the other half for whole pieces of fried chicken. They all ended up with slight variations on the same product. The point isn’t that they should’ve innovated the chicken sandwich it’s that they all ended up with the same product, the opposite of innovation in a market full of restaurants.
In the real world, people often eat in groups. Some overlap is to be expected, especially when what is really being sold isn’t a chicken sandwich, it’s addictive convenient food.
Yup it really sucks we don’t get good EVs because so far all the legacy automotive companies want to keep on making ridiculous SUVs.
I think we already have good EVs, variety will increase. Happy owner of a Polestar 2 speaking.
The silly range anxiety is what’s fueling larger vehicles at the moment, even though 90% of users could do with smaller capacity smaller EVs.
Even hybrids are better options than “war may break out at any moment and I need to be ready in my Hell-scape assault” truck.
Meh I would love some of the more affordable models to hit we need to relax Tariffs to allow for more choice, and more affordable batteries, because the US is trying to manifest a battery industry out of thin air, and the players that have the more innovative products aren’t getting funding. I like how the Chinese are able to buy as much car as they can afford with the amount of volume
CAFE standards are pushing the industry towards large wheelbase vehicles, which are not required to be nearly as efficient as small wheelbase vehicles. It costs money to make a vehicle more fuel efficient, and it costs money for an automaker to put a serious EV program into place (not just “here’s one EV that can’t compete with Tesla and China, which we will cancel in a year, please buy the SUVs instead”).
Turning up that serious EV production requires a long term committment, long term investment, and a willingness to wait beyond the next two quarters for the return on that investment.
What are CAFE standards?
Thanks!
No innovation here
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
Or maybe it’s a Chick-fil-A. Who can tell anymore?
There are few memes I actively dislike. This is one of them. Like, where’s the joke? Am I supposed to laugh at a remark that annoying nazi kid in your class make because they think it makes them look smart? Like even the base premise is abusive and shitty.
It does have it’s place, although this is definitely not it
Meme has Wendy’s, comment is taking a tangent, how is it not a normal fit for it? It’s not a genius usage of it, but it’s not like it’s out of place
Nah there’s no place for “thank you for opening up, we’re going to punish you for showing vulnerability”
Lmao how do you take a joke as a punishment, who hurt you?
That’s another meme that only exists to punish people for not conforming to white supremacist society.
What the fuck are you on lol
I realized this a couple of days ago when we were in a rush to be somewhere and thought to just go for fastfood drive-thru to eat. Asked my wife what she liked and she said not a burger. Every fastfood drive-thru I could think of was a burger/sandwich except for taco bell.
Because most other fast-food chains are medium-fast-food, only sandwiches can be made in 15 seconds.
For me it’s all the snack combinations coming out, like cool ranch Lay’s. Between that and all the remakes and reboots it’s like consumer culture is eating itself.
Cool ranch lays?
