• relay@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    That was an exhausting read.

    Are you sure that this is not a bot? The BrooklynMan seems to do basic webscraping, then make arguments independant of the context of the article itself, then doubles down on their incoherent epistemology. is it that hard to automate?

    • Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      I think he actually is on the team making the lemmy iOS app, I see him post over there a lot, so I think it is a real person.

      Just a real person with uh…some politics, shall we say.

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    1 year ago

    I am an incredibly sceptical person, i read dozens of news sources from countries all around the world, private business news, western state funded news, middle eastern, conservative, nationalist, socialist, im obsessed with learning the narratives around the world and how each society interacts with geopolitics. Never in my life have I found the west so full of shit on a subject, maybe aside for wmds, this conflict has been constantly and consistently lied about in every western news source. Its honestly remarkable, i regularly compare and contrast pro ukraine and pro russian sources down to military movements reports of casualties, wins losses, everything and 90% of the time the Russian information is accurate or damn close to accurate and the ukrainians are just outright lying.

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      1 year ago

      I think this is the case because the west isn’t used to fighting an enemy that can match their might.

      Think Iraq. Why bother with a narrative? There is a certainty of victory, no damage will come to the west, and iraqi media sure as hell isn’t reaching our audiences. So just make up an excuse, invade, and let people forget it until the next current thing.

      But russia? It can fight back, it has political and economic leverage, it forces europe to suffer economically, it can inflict losses and shatter the image of nato equipment being unbeatable.

      So the media has to scramble to find reasons why we should keep fighting the russians, because our collective subconscious knows that fighting russia is a bad idea in general. The result of this scrambling is a lot of contrasting narratives that keep contradicting each other. Specially because russia itself has the power to counter western narratives and highlight the falsehoods.

      Remember Soledar for example? “the situation is difficult but we are holding” until russians started posting selfies from inside the town and it became clear that the UAF had been routed from there days ago.

      Or also when they kept claiming that reddit truesim that “attackers suffer 7 times more casualties” during the battle of Bakhmut an excuse to support the “we are grinding them down by losing” narrative. Now ukraine is attacking and people are asking “wait a second, we were told attackers take 7 times more losses, how is ukraine affording this?”

      In short, much like they are not used to fighting competent enemies on the ground, they are not used to fighting competent enemies in the media/internet arena. The result is a clusterfuck of lies covered by other lies as soon as they get found out.

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        1 year ago

        Yeah, but I don’t think they’re trying. This is a tactic frequently used on forums like 4chan where they just flood you with copy pasted nonsense to waste your time and discourage discussion. They know what they’re doing and are acting like that intentionally, which is why I’m worried about this becoming normalized on lemmy.ml. Hopefully it dies out just like the Ukrainian counteroffensive.

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          1 year ago

          They’ll probably filter away away to other instances that block lemmygrad I imagine. Or more likely, go back to their reddit echo chambers where they can feel smart.

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    1 year ago

    Always gotta love the faux-confidence the libs have of knowing they are always right, because they can dismiss anyone who doesn’t agree with them as biased/a shill/propagandist.

    Heaven forbid somebody engage in an intellectually honest debate with somebody with a differing opinion. Even if somebody IS spouting propaganda, you don’t become tainted by having a discussion with them; you might even convince a third party who is viewing.