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Without a doubt this is the worst part. It was an immediate and irreversible swing from being an optimist who believes in the good of people to the complete opposite. I now believe humanity is fundamentally flawed and will destroy itself.
Watched too much Star Trek as a kid I guess.
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“John Lewis and MLK Jr. still had faith in humanity”
Those guys were under the boot heel, and had no direction but up. I’d be more optimistic for the future of humanity if they were white dudes with everything to lose, agitating for an oppressed minority.
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You completely missed my point. I wasn’t minimizing your heroes, and I’m not American. We don’t all think like Americans. Please expand your world view…
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I really do appreciate the words and the sentiment. I would normally agree but right now my faith is still shattered. I think there are good and amazing people, who have done magical and wonderful things. I just think that small and petty tyrants are more common and more indicative of humanity as a whole. That the righteous have to look up from underneath the bootheel of those who deserve to be crushed under one themselves. Instead, those type get to run the show, and obviously always have.
This weekend has been bad mentally. I hope I can find some optimism again. I’m just so tired of expecting the worst and being proven right.
To tie star trek into an admittedly foolish level of hope: I believe there was a catastrophic war and social failing that, eventually, led to their pseudo-utopic future… right?
Well it was WW3. Which started there in 2026. Sooo… good news?
Wow, that’s kinda on the nose, isnt it?
I once proudly said “when the internet is cheap and easy, everyone will have full access to all information and it will be effortlessly easy for people to stop believing falsehoods and it’ll start a swing towards reason!”
I just want to hug teenage me.
30-yo me was just as naive. Jesus, what have we done.
loves Nazis and Hitler
also among the first to be killed had she been living in Nazi Germany
She’s damn sure old enough to know better. 😡
She was probably doing it the first time too.
Disgusting
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It didn’t take Trump to make this real for me.
I remember how our country treated Muslims after 9/11. I remember how we treated people with AIDS and HIV when I was little. Right now I’m watching Nazi salutes on national TV and no one’s getting punched even though the room is packed with the supposed opposition, and the people who consider themselves progressive are unironically enjoying people’s families inability to afford food staples.
Don’t forget hundreds of years of ongoing slavery and genocide.
Or as Southerners call it “The Good Old Days”.
When they say “Make America Great Again”, they have a very specific time in mind.
I grew up in these toxic conservative cultures. It became very clear to me at a young age that there was something deeply wrong with them. I’ve heard exactly what they talk about when they only think that the people in their fucked up tribes are listening.
These aren’t potential allies to reach out to. They are enemies to overcome.
Progressives are becoming more radical as a response to right wing extremism.
I was raised republican and was completely caught up in their propaganda. During that time I would’ve let you starve to death while holding food if I was told you were part of the ‘bad’ group. You need to treat Republicans as the dangerous entity they are, don’t bother being empathetic, they won’t ever reciprocate.
don’t bother being empathetic, they won’t ever reciprocate.
If your statement is true, then you are evidence that we need to at least leave the door open to allow people who come to their senses a path to redemption.
The ‘progressives’ who voted Democrat remind me of abusers who punched their SO in the face and then got angry that they broke their hand.
For four years the vast majority of voters got poorer. Then, they ran Biden knowing his brain wasn’t working and when he embarrassed them, they crowned a weak candidate who looked at all of these poorer people and said she’d change absolutely nothing. Even worse, she told them to be joyful about it. Just absolute political stupidity.
Trump did not broaden his coalition on extremism. He broadened it on Democrats’ political priority to give more money to the rich at the expense of the poor. It’s just stupid politically to be seen rooting for people’s misery, because those votes are ripe for the picking thanks to Trump’s unilateral wrecking of the economy.
The message shouldn’t be: “Your vote was stupid and we hate you.” It should be: “Hey, there’s an election next year, and if you vote for us we’ll fucking stop this shit.” (Granted, that’s hard to believe watching Schumer and co do nothing, but that’s still the message they need to run with.
Yes, and I’m disgusted by people who threw their vote away or refused to vote blue over genocide despite the fact that things were clearly going to get worse under Trump. We’ve had this argument before and I’m not going to waste my time on it again.
or refused to vote blue over genocide
In 2024, 155mn people voted, while 88mn didn’t out of the entire 243 mn eligible voting population.
Of that, 77 mn voted R, 75 mn voted D, and 3 mn voted 3rd party.
In 2020, 158 mn people voted, while 79 mn didn’t out of the entire 238 mn eligible voting population.
Of that, 81 mn voted D, 74 mn voted R, and 3 mn voted 3rd party.
Your claim is that the Uncommitted Movement had an impact in 2024 on the outcome of the election.
Wikipedia says that the movement got 700k votes. If we look to Ballotpedia, the Green Party received ~860k while the PSL received ~165k, meaning we can pretty much say those two parties captured the Uncommitted Movement’s voting block. That’s a total ~1 mn voters.
But JFK received ~760k votes in 2024 because he didn’t file to leave the election before endorsing Trump. And the Libertarians which I doubt have any affiliation with the Uncommitted Movement received ~650k. That’s a total ~1.4 mn voters.
The 3rd party vote didn’t make or break this election. You can see that in how many people voted 3rd party in 2024 compared to 2020 despite the voting population increasing.
No, I reject your claim. The Democrats lost 6 mn voters in 2024, and failed to capture the eligible voting population. This wasn’t the fault of people who give a shit about genocide.
Keep telling yourself that though while the Do Nothing Democrats roll over at every chance they get to aid and abet our fascist regime.
Your claim is that the Uncommitted Movement had an impact in 2024 on the outcome of the election.
No, I didn’t say that. I said that I’m disgusted by people who sat out.
You just said:
I said that I’m disgusted by people who sat out.
Your original post which I commented on said this:
Yes, and I’m disgusted by people who threw their vote away or refused to vote blue over genocide
Which is it?
The Uncommitted Movement was ~700k strong. Even if we assume the entire voting block didn’t cast ballots in 2024, meaning I don’t count them in the Green Party/PSL group, the impact of that would still only be less than 1 mn, which RFK and Libertarians similarly drew for their causes. It’s a rounding error whether or not they contributed to the outcome or not.
The real problem is why more people either 1) changed parties or 2) didn’t vote in 2024 when they did in 2020. Perhaps COVID had an effect in 2020, perhaps tightened voting laws had an effect in 2024, perhaps Democrats have now become Republican-lite, perhaps shit just sucks and there’s no time when people need to work.
It is a politician’s job to think about these things and determine a strategy best suited to acquiring power. If politicians don’t do that, they lose races.
things were clearly going to get worse under Trump
It’s not reasonable to blame people for voting for change when the Democrats did nothing meaningful about poverty for four years and then blamed poor people for being angry about it. The 2024 election was simple cause-and-effect.
That’s what partisan Democrats don’t get. We were already at ‘things got worse’, and it happened under Biden.
Hitler junior was change so just let Hitler junior rule the country? That’s pretty stupid, my friend.
That’s how it works when your guy lets the majority of the country become significantly poorer. They care less about where the change comes from.
It’s not stupid. It’s cause-and-effect, specifically, what you get when you vote blue no matter who.
It is incredibly stupid to value “change” on its own as a key metric. Some changes are good, some are bad, and some are mixed.
It’s like saying “I want to go fast” without specifying a direction. You want to get from NYC to Boston and on foot is too slow? Get on this jet, it’s a change of speed. Except the jet is going to LA. But it was a change!
In an insanely propagandistic Media environment (both sides: notice the New Tork Times coverage of the Gaza Genocide) you’re going to get lots of people who aren’t above average educated types with high political awareness trying to gut feel their way into “who are the ones who lie the least” by going for the kind of discourse that sounds the least like the style of propaganda of the last couple of decades, and right now the “not the usual liar politician sounding” was the “populist strongman” because the trafitional media’s propaganda has been slick highly-educated technocrat style for years.
Further you can’t really start from your own “predisposed to believe that Democrats are truthful in what they say” point of view when trying to understand people who are not aligned with either “tribe” and for whom neither side is assumed honest so they’re trying to figure out which one is less dishonest (or just think “they’re all liars” and won’t vote).
(I see the exact same issue with the members of the small leftwing party I’m a member of in my own country - they simply don’t get it that most people don’t just presume like them that the words of the party leaders are honest and those of other party leaders are dishonest)
I think the point the OP was making was that the Democrat leadership didn’t even try to sound more believable to sway such people - they just kept on saying the usual things in the very same style as the propaganda of the last 2 decades thus sounding the same, whilst the Republican changed their discourse style so even though they lied even more than before, they sounded “not the usual lies” for some of the people trying to “gut feel” their way around politics coming from a non-aligned standpoint.
The nicest possible interpretation is that the Democrat leadership are guilty of massive incompetence.
It is reasonable, because of what change meant in this scenario.
Voting democrat was still the lesser evil. The fault is with those in charge of the Democratic party, not their voters.
You’re not wrong but they have to be the ones to take the first step. If they don’t want to we can’t force them and we don’t have time for that nonsense anymore. There should be Redemption paths but if someone’s just awful that’s their problem and we have to defeat them
Could not agree more.
Yeah, the aftermath of 9/11 was shocking to me as well and, in many cases, deplorable. The use of the terms “sand n-word” and things like “rag-head” were flying around all over (at least in my part of Ohio), Sikhs and others were getting targeted by racists, and the whole thing was such a surreal time.
The small town I grew up in did have a fair amount of anti-semitism (uncool things were referred to by some as “that’s Jewish”) and I’m sure I heard slurs around that as well. I didn’t expect the big, farther-left cities to descend into that.
They were always here.
I escaped from the south to the coasts, but I always tried to warn people how vile the worst of us were.
Nobody coukd believe it, but remember, Hitler wrote about the south as the model for Germany in mein kampf, and the nazis copied the Nuremberg Laws from Jim crow almost verbatim.
They also took inspiration from the Catholic Church and the inquisition. The Church did ethnic cleansing long before the Nazis.
Wherever there is a state, there is fascism.
Nazi legal theorists saw the U.S. as a “pioneer” in racist legislation.
James Q. Whitman, in his book “Hitler’s American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law”,
I believe they got some of their ideas from American eugenicists.
The also took inspiration from the Catholic Church
Not just inspiration but also direct material support.
The pope at that time looked the other way.
Depends on which pope you are talking about. One of them got allied planes in his sights to get shot down.
It’s not just the south.
I’ve lived in much of the country, and I’m not white.
There is racism everywhere.
But the South is like going from Lebanon to the deepest reaches of Taliban-controlled Afghanistan.
They’re monsters, and proud of it.
Cool islamophobic analogy,
That’s not Islamophobic, the Taliban literally are misogynist, homophobic monsters.
To PHR’s knowledge, no other régime in the world has methodically and violently forced half of its population into virtual house arrest, prohibiting them on pain of physical punishment.[238] — Physicians for Human Rights, 1998
The Taliban have committed a cultural genocide against the Afghan people by destroying their historical and cultural texts, artifacts and sculptures.[89]
The Taliban are about as Islamic as the Nazis are Christian.
Monsters are just monsters.
Imagine equivocating the Taliban and Muslims in general.
Hell truly is other people.
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Pretty recently, honestly. Last Thursday the girl I’ve fallen in love with asked me to be her girlfriend.
Congrats!
that guy isn’t having fun, he’s having a manic episode with violent fantasies.
nobody with that look in their eyes is in control of themselves.
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See! Maybe he’s just dumb! I bet he’s a fun guy at the bar.
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I’m not 100% sure, but I think this picture was AI generated.
I hope that guy gets ink poisoning.
Maybe Reagan shouldn’t have closed down the mental institutes and facilitate the stifling of access to mental health
Looking back, I’m starting to believe it was a long-term political calculus, not just abandoning the most vulnerable in our society…
Libs blaming mental health? Fashy as usual. Anything to avoid blaming themselves/dems.
There’s plenty of blame to go around, but this is a stone cold stupid take.
The guy with the Trump tatoo looks like the typical guy who gets a 23&ME saying he’s actually part Mexican.
Yup, and the pandemic showed us how stupid and ignorant they are, too.
Leftists were hesitant with good reason and could be educated. These folks had no chance out of their own volition.
It is interesting to claim MAGA people are so terrible followed by endless comments about how you should violently assault them, scam them, take advantage of them, and all while claiming moral superiority. Most of you are just like them, you just wear a different colored hat.
If that’s what you think, you completely missed the message. If anyone wants to live peacefully I’ll let them, that’s what we all want. If anyone starts to take away people’s rights, disappears people, call my neighbors subhuman, ext, I’ll punch them square in the face in the face.
“bUt WhAt AbOuT tHe PeOpLe WhO kIlLeD nAzIs? ThEy WeRe JuSt As BaD!”
That’s you. That’s what you sound like.
you just wear a different colored hat
You almost understand this issue 🤣
I understand how you’ve arrived at that conclusion, but you should investigate Popper’s Paradox.
Cry louder! Nazis deserve everything they get. Because unlike any of the groups the attack so aggressively, they placed themselves in the line of fire. They get attacked because they CHOSE to be inhhumane monsters.
I have not an ounce of mercy left for these creatures!
Is that maybe exactly how everyone that is pulling the strings on all this want you to feel? Just food for thought. You be you, just don’t close the door on these people, we’ve all spent some time lost.
Living in a southern state that is solid red - it’s just difficult to exist. Much more than half of the people I interact with would not view me as a human being if I weren’t stealth about my transness - if I didn’t pass. These people voted against my rights and safety. I’m surrounded by people who think people like me are subhuman.
And I’ll bet that every one of them calls themself a Christian. Fucking joke religion that doesn’t even follow its own tenets.
THAT has been the most demoralizing part
That half of my fellow Americans willingly embraced Nazi Fascism
