designated uyghurs are allowed to practice there culture occasionally in front of cameras so that China can deny the uyghur cultural genocide.
you are naturally going to find photos and videos of uyghur “cukture” the CCP records and brosdcasts and you are not going to find ubiquitous evidence of the detention camps, forced sterilization or other atrocities the CCP does not record and broadcast.
“why can i find…palestinian…”
because Palestine is a loudly violent genocide.
different from the quietly violent uyghur cultural genocide.
“despite there being…witnesses and…smartphones…at any point take pictures and videos”
two big reasons there aren’t videos and photos:
1)there simply aren’t the witnesses and phones you believe there are.
2)CCP media control
1)it is illegal for detainees to take their phones into the re-education camps and for a Chinese citizens to take photos and videos of any government facility. xinjiang is already a remote province and the detention camps are not in the middle of the cities.
the CCP has access into every piece of data going in and out of the country.
Chinese people generally don’t use the Western apps you seem familiar with anyway, as those media sharing apps are blocked in China, but even if they did, every photo, every video, every blog about the uyghur genocide and all other non-approved CCP topics gets filtered and blocked before being posted within the country and especially before leaving the country.
designated uyghurs are allowed to practice there culture occasionally in front of cameras so that China can deny the uyghur cultural genocide.
you are naturally going to find photos and videos of uyghur “cukture” the CCP records and brosdcasts and you are not going to find ubiquitous evidence of the detention camps, forced sterilization or other atrocities the CCP does not record and broadcast.
Suuuure buddy, every piece of evidence against your narrative is fake and fabricated. Every picture of the earth from space was photoshoped by NASA with fisheye lenses and… Oh, wait, it’s flat earther conspiracy theorists who say that, that’s not you. Sorry, your arguments look so similar I got confused.
More seriously though, I wasn’t even talking about pictures and videos from Chines medias. When I wrote that I was thinking of the Shit-ton of pictures and videos taken and posted by tourists who have strictly nothing to do with the Chinese communist party. That’s an other question I’ve never seen any of you try to answer by the way: if China is trying to do a genicide there and don’t want the world to know about it, how come tourists, both international and Chinese, can freely go to Xinjiang?
“why can i find…palestinian…”
because Palestine is a loudly violent genocide.
different from the quietly violent uyghur cultural genocide.
Explain to me how it’s possible to mass arrest a population of millions of peoples equipped with information age communication tech and have no leaks, no massive influx of refugees fleeing to neighboring countries, no tech-savi peoples managing to get information and evidence out despite the government restrictions, not a single official out of the hundreds of thousands needed for an endeavor that size deciding “that’s kinda messed up actually” and intentionally leaking information to someone oversee, no nothing.
two big reasons there aren’t videos and photos:
1)there simply aren’t the witnesses and phones you believe there are.
Do you think Xinjiang is a giant barren fucking plain or something? There are massive cities there, with millions of inhabitants, the majority of whom do have phones. And I mean, sure, no one would build their extermination camps near a big city, but what of the “genocided” population living in the city? Are we supposed to believe that no one out of the millions Uyghurs living in Urumqi are noticing their families, friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc disappearing one by one or seen the Chinese cops round up peoples? Or are you arguing that this “genocide” is happening only in the countryside and small towns and that the big cities are spared for fear of word getting out?
1)it is illegal for detainees to take their phones into the re-education camps and for a Chinese citizens to take photos and videos of any government facility.
Show me the law saying that.
No really, go on, show me the piece of legislation in Chinese law that say it’s illegal. If you can’t, why should I, or anyone, believe you?
xinjiang is already a remote province and the detention camps are not in the middle of the cities.
Refer to my point above about how there should obviously still be witnesses and video/photo evidence despite that.
the CCP has access into every piece of data going in and out of the country.
Chinese people generally don’t use the Western apps you seem familiar with anyway, as those media sharing apps are blocked in China, but even if they did, every photo, every video, every blog about the uyghur genocide and all other non-approved CCP topics gets filtered and blocked before being posted within the country and especially before leaving the country.
This control over their online space isn’t magic you marvel brained amoeba. It’s a team of certainly computer assisted but still very much humans moderators and administrators monitoring a user-base of over a fucking billion users, just by sheer number, there have to be leaks, even without mentioning any tech-savi enough peoples to find ways around it. And since we’re on the subject of getting info out, how about the Chinese tourists visiting other countries and therefor having plenty of time to access a non CPC monitored connection? What about the Chinese diaspora?
By the way, Chinese peoples can use VPNs to connect to other countries and no, contrary to what you might have been told, it isn’t illegal to do so (if you want to argue that it is I once again ask that you provide the relevant piece of legislation), you just don’t see them because, well, their primary language is Chinese so they will primarily interact with content and sites in Chinese.
They’re already banned, bummer. I kind of wanted to see what they would answer to what I wrote. Then again, they probably would have just ignored my post as does every lib when someone is debating a little too well for their aerogel arguments to keep up.
Judging by the snippets that you quoted, this is a Kent Mansley-brained anticommunist.
‘There’s loads of evidence that China is genociding Uyghurs! I can’t show you any, but that’s only because the Chinese are covering it up! Trust me, though, it’s out there somewhere! I got a feeling about it! Now launch the missile!’
Their grip on information is not magical. There are millions of Chinese netizens who are tech-savvy enough to use a VPN and other encryption protocols.
The Chinese are simultaneously techno-peasants who have no idea how encryption works, and techno-deities who can censor every byte of data on the Internet with 100% accuracy.
correct, the CCP media blockade is carried out using computers, proprietary government-connected social media platforms, unlimited data collection and an estimated 2 million censor officers actively censoring all data passing through the country.
You are living in delusional land, even the simplest VPN service bypasses 100% of restrictions on internet access in China, people can post literally anything once on VPN. This is DPRK reporting levels of delusion where westoids think they build all this public housing and waterparks and restaurants to show the 200 or so tourists that actually visit how great they are. When you see thousands of people in Kashgar or Urumqi going to Mosque do you believe they are being forced to practice their religion to appease western tourists? Do you not think it would be more logical that they are simply Muslims doing Muslim things? God forbid people in Xinjiang genuinely enjoy their lives right? Sometimes it makes me think you brainwashed westoids actually want Uighurs to suffer so you can cope with how terrible your lives actually are.
China is far from an underdog at this point, but a minority population living within China could be seen as one, so it’s easy for people to latch onto.
Xinjiang has hundreds of millions of tourists every year. So you’re saying that the hundreds of millions of people who pass through Xinjiang see the ten million Uighurs living there, running the majority of businesses, residing in the majority of houses, clearly speaking a different language which is written on every sign, going to the 24,000 mosques in Xinjiang, those ten million people are actors, pretending to be Uighurs, but have actually been brainwashed into performing Uighurness for the hundreds of millions of tourists while personally no longer desiring to follow the cultural standards they have been forced to reject? Am I getting that right?
“why are Uyghurs freely practicing their culture”
designated uyghurs are allowed to practice there culture occasionally in front of cameras so that China can deny the uyghur cultural genocide.
you are naturally going to find photos and videos of uyghur “cukture” the CCP records and brosdcasts and you are not going to find ubiquitous evidence of the detention camps, forced sterilization or other atrocities the CCP does not record and broadcast.
“why can i find…palestinian…”
because Palestine is a loudly violent genocide.
different from the quietly violent uyghur cultural genocide.
“despite there being…witnesses and…smartphones…at any point take pictures and videos”
two big reasons there aren’t videos and photos:
1)there simply aren’t the witnesses and phones you believe there are.
2)CCP media control
1)it is illegal for detainees to take their phones into the re-education camps and for a Chinese citizens to take photos and videos of any government facility. xinjiang is already a remote province and the detention camps are not in the middle of the cities.
Chinese people generally don’t use the Western apps you seem familiar with anyway, as those media sharing apps are blocked in China, but even if they did, every photo, every video, every blog about the uyghur genocide and all other non-approved CCP topics gets filtered and blocked before being posted within the country and especially before leaving the country.
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Thank you!
This is all publicly available, documented information.
Suuuure buddy, every piece of evidence against your narrative is fake and fabricated. Every picture of the earth from space was photoshoped by NASA with fisheye lenses and… Oh, wait, it’s flat earther conspiracy theorists who say that, that’s not you. Sorry, your arguments look so similar I got confused.
More seriously though, I wasn’t even talking about pictures and videos from Chines medias. When I wrote that I was thinking of the Shit-ton of pictures and videos taken and posted by tourists who have strictly nothing to do with the Chinese communist party. That’s an other question I’ve never seen any of you try to answer by the way: if China is trying to do a genicide there and don’t want the world to know about it, how come tourists, both international and Chinese, can freely go to Xinjiang?
Explain to me how it’s possible to mass arrest a population of millions of peoples equipped with information age communication tech and have no leaks, no massive influx of refugees fleeing to neighboring countries, no tech-savi peoples managing to get information and evidence out despite the government restrictions, not a single official out of the hundreds of thousands needed for an endeavor that size deciding “that’s kinda messed up actually” and intentionally leaking information to someone oversee, no nothing.
Do you think Xinjiang is a giant barren fucking plain or something? There are massive cities there, with millions of inhabitants, the majority of whom do have phones. And I mean, sure, no one would build their extermination camps near a big city, but what of the “genocided” population living in the city? Are we supposed to believe that no one out of the millions Uyghurs living in Urumqi are noticing their families, friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc disappearing one by one or seen the Chinese cops round up peoples? Or are you arguing that this “genocide” is happening only in the countryside and small towns and that the big cities are spared for fear of word getting out?
Show me the law saying that.
No really, go on, show me the piece of legislation in Chinese law that say it’s illegal. If you can’t, why should I, or anyone, believe you?
Refer to my point above about how there should obviously still be witnesses and video/photo evidence despite that.
This control over their online space isn’t magic you marvel brained amoeba. It’s a team of certainly computer assisted but still very much humans moderators and administrators monitoring a user-base of over a fucking billion users, just by sheer number, there have to be leaks, even without mentioning any tech-savi enough peoples to find ways around it. And since we’re on the subject of getting info out, how about the Chinese tourists visiting other countries and therefor having plenty of time to access a non CPC monitored connection? What about the Chinese diaspora?
By the way, Chinese peoples can use VPNs to connect to other countries and no, contrary to what you might have been told, it isn’t illegal to do so (if you want to argue that it is I once again ask that you provide the relevant piece of legislation), you just don’t see them because, well, their primary language is Chinese so they will primarily interact with content and sites in Chinese.
They’re already banned, bummer. I kind of wanted to see what they would answer to what I wrote. Then again, they probably would have just ignored my post as does every lib when someone is debating a little too well for their aerogel arguments to keep up.
Judging by the snippets that you quoted, this is a Kent Mansley-brained anticommunist.
‘There’s loads of evidence that China is genociding Uyghurs! I can’t show you any, but that’s only because the Chinese are covering it up! Trust me, though, it’s out there somewhere! I got a feeling about it! Now launch the missile!’
Their grip on information is not magical. There are millions of Chinese netizens who are tech-savvy enough to use a VPN and other encryption protocols.
The Chinese are simultaneously techno-peasants who have no idea how encryption works, and techno-deities who can censor every byte of data on the Internet with 100% accuracy.
Weird how the enemy is always too weak and too strong for these types
“…not magical.”
correct, the CCP media blockade is carried out using computers, proprietary government-connected social media platforms, unlimited data collection and an estimated 2 million censor officers actively censoring all data passing through the country.
no magic necessary.
Whose estimate?
USAID probably
Bro literally using far-right thinktanks as sources, so probably.
Northrop Grumman said there’s a jee no side !
Literal proud partner of ASPI on the ASPI website
You are living in delusional land, even the simplest VPN service bypasses 100% of restrictions on internet access in China, people can post literally anything once on VPN. This is DPRK reporting levels of delusion where westoids think they build all this public housing and waterparks and restaurants to show the 200 or so tourists that actually visit how great they are. When you see thousands of people in Kashgar or Urumqi going to Mosque do you believe they are being forced to practice their religion to appease western tourists? Do you not think it would be more logical that they are simply Muslims doing Muslim things? God forbid people in Xinjiang genuinely enjoy their lives right? Sometimes it makes me think you brainwashed westoids actually want Uighurs to suffer so you can cope with how terrible your lives actually are.
Western Christian thinking (https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:Western_Marxism,_the_fetish_for_defeat,_and_Christian_culture) is obsessed with having an underdog to support, one whose David vs. Goliath prospects of winning are slim.
China is far from an underdog at this point, but a minority population living within China could be seen as one, so it’s easy for people to latch onto.
Xinjiang has hundreds of millions of tourists every year. So you’re saying that the hundreds of millions of people who pass through Xinjiang see the ten million Uighurs living there, running the majority of businesses, residing in the majority of houses, clearly speaking a different language which is written on every sign, going to the 24,000 mosques in Xinjiang, those ten million people are actors, pretending to be Uighurs, but have actually been brainwashed into performing Uighurness for the hundreds of millions of tourists while personally no longer desiring to follow the cultural standards they have been forced to reject? Am I getting that right?
“Am I getting that right?”
You are not getting that right.
That is all wrong or falsely concluded except for the rough number estimates.
I wish I could have seen this comment before it got yoinked out of existence. I’m sure it would have been pretty funny!
You can probably still find it in the community’s mod log.
I looked and didn’t see it, I could be missing something
Come on man, you can’t be leaving yourself wide open like this