designated uyghurs are allowed to practice there culture occasionally in front of cameras so that China can deny the uyghur cultural genocide.
you are naturally going to find photos and videos of uyghur “cukture” the CCP records and brosdcasts and you are not going to find ubiquitous evidence of the detention camps, forced sterilization or other atrocities the CCP does not record and broadcast.
Suuuure buddy, every piece of evidence against your narrative is fake and fabricated. Every picture of the earth from space was photoshoped by NASA with fisheye lenses and… Oh, wait, it’s flat earther conspiracy theorists who say that, that’s not you. Sorry, your arguments look so similar I got confused.
More seriously though, I wasn’t even talking about pictures and videos from Chines medias. When I wrote that I was thinking of the Shit-ton of pictures and videos taken and posted by tourists who have strictly nothing to do with the Chinese communist party. That’s an other question I’ve never seen any of you try to answer by the way: if China is trying to do a genicide there and don’t want the world to know about it, how come tourists, both international and Chinese, can freely go to Xinjiang?
“why can i find…palestinian…”
because Palestine is a loudly violent genocide.
different from the quietly violent uyghur cultural genocide.
Explain to me how it’s possible to mass arrest a population of millions of peoples equipped with information age communication tech and have no leaks, no massive influx of refugees fleeing to neighboring countries, no tech-savi peoples managing to get information and evidence out despite the government restrictions, not a single official out of the hundreds of thousands needed for an endeavor that size deciding “that’s kinda messed up actually” and intentionally leaking information to someone oversee, no nothing.
two big reasons there aren’t videos and photos:
1)there simply aren’t the witnesses and phones you believe there are.
Do you think Xinjiang is a giant barren fucking plain or something? There are massive cities there, with millions of inhabitants, the majority of whom do have phones. And I mean, sure, no one would build their extermination camps near a big city, but what of the “genocided” population living in the city? Are we supposed to believe that no one out of the millions Uyghurs living in Urumqi are noticing their families, friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc disappearing one by one or seen the Chinese cops round up peoples? Or are you arguing that this “genocide” is happening only in the countryside and small towns and that the big cities are spared for fear of word getting out?
1)it is illegal for detainees to take their phones into the re-education camps and for a Chinese citizens to take photos and videos of any government facility.
Show me the law saying that.
No really, go on, show me the piece of legislation in Chinese law that say it’s illegal. If you can’t, why should I, or anyone, believe you?
xinjiang is already a remote province and the detention camps are not in the middle of the cities.
Refer to my point above about how there should obviously still be witnesses and video/photo evidence despite that.
the CCP has access into every piece of data going in and out of the country.
Chinese people generally don’t use the Western apps you seem familiar with anyway, as those media sharing apps are blocked in China, but even if they did, every photo, every video, every blog about the uyghur genocide and all other non-approved CCP topics gets filtered and blocked before being posted within the country and especially before leaving the country.
This control over their online space isn’t magic you marvel brained amoeba. It’s a team of certainly computer assisted but still very much humans moderators and administrators monitoring a user-base of over a fucking billion users, just by sheer number, there have to be leaks, even without mentioning any tech-savi enough peoples to find ways around it. And since we’re on the subject of getting info out, how about the Chinese tourists visiting other countries and therefor having plenty of time to access a non CPC monitored connection? What about the Chinese diaspora?
By the way, Chinese peoples can use VPNs to connect to other countries and no, contrary to what you might have been told, it isn’t illegal to do so (if you want to argue that it is I once again ask that you provide the relevant piece of legislation), you just don’t see them because, well, their primary language is Chinese so they will primarily interact with content and sites in Chinese.
They’re already banned, bummer. I kind of wanted to see what they would answer to what I wrote. Then again, they probably would have just ignored my post as does every lib when someone is debating a little too well for their aerogel arguments to keep up.
Judging by the snippets that you quoted, this is a Kent Mansley-brained anticommunist.
‘There’s loads of evidence that China is genociding Uyghurs! I can’t show you any, but that’s only because the Chinese are covering it up! Trust me, though, it’s out there somewhere! I got a feeling about it! Now launch the missile!’
Suuuure buddy, every piece of evidence against your narrative is fake and fabricated. Every picture of the earth from space was photoshoped by NASA with fisheye lenses and… Oh, wait, it’s flat earther conspiracy theorists who say that, that’s not you. Sorry, your arguments look so similar I got confused.
More seriously though, I wasn’t even talking about pictures and videos from Chines medias. When I wrote that I was thinking of the Shit-ton of pictures and videos taken and posted by tourists who have strictly nothing to do with the Chinese communist party. That’s an other question I’ve never seen any of you try to answer by the way: if China is trying to do a genicide there and don’t want the world to know about it, how come tourists, both international and Chinese, can freely go to Xinjiang?
Explain to me how it’s possible to mass arrest a population of millions of peoples equipped with information age communication tech and have no leaks, no massive influx of refugees fleeing to neighboring countries, no tech-savi peoples managing to get information and evidence out despite the government restrictions, not a single official out of the hundreds of thousands needed for an endeavor that size deciding “that’s kinda messed up actually” and intentionally leaking information to someone oversee, no nothing.
Do you think Xinjiang is a giant barren fucking plain or something? There are massive cities there, with millions of inhabitants, the majority of whom do have phones. And I mean, sure, no one would build their extermination camps near a big city, but what of the “genocided” population living in the city? Are we supposed to believe that no one out of the millions Uyghurs living in Urumqi are noticing their families, friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc disappearing one by one or seen the Chinese cops round up peoples? Or are you arguing that this “genocide” is happening only in the countryside and small towns and that the big cities are spared for fear of word getting out?
Show me the law saying that.
No really, go on, show me the piece of legislation in Chinese law that say it’s illegal. If you can’t, why should I, or anyone, believe you?
Refer to my point above about how there should obviously still be witnesses and video/photo evidence despite that.
This control over their online space isn’t magic you marvel brained amoeba. It’s a team of certainly computer assisted but still very much humans moderators and administrators monitoring a user-base of over a fucking billion users, just by sheer number, there have to be leaks, even without mentioning any tech-savi enough peoples to find ways around it. And since we’re on the subject of getting info out, how about the Chinese tourists visiting other countries and therefor having plenty of time to access a non CPC monitored connection? What about the Chinese diaspora?
By the way, Chinese peoples can use VPNs to connect to other countries and no, contrary to what you might have been told, it isn’t illegal to do so (if you want to argue that it is I once again ask that you provide the relevant piece of legislation), you just don’t see them because, well, their primary language is Chinese so they will primarily interact with content and sites in Chinese.
They’re already banned, bummer. I kind of wanted to see what they would answer to what I wrote. Then again, they probably would have just ignored my post as does every lib when someone is debating a little too well for their aerogel arguments to keep up.
Judging by the snippets that you quoted, this is a Kent Mansley-brained anticommunist.
‘There’s loads of evidence that China is genociding Uyghurs! I can’t show you any, but that’s only because the Chinese are covering it up! Trust me, though, it’s out there somewhere! I got a feeling about it! Now launch the missile!’