Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards, though not yet.
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If only keyboards would have function keys for this purpose, named F1 to F10 for example, so any program could use them for their specific functions…
Maybe even F13 to F24 if more is needed?
Because they used to exist, and support for them still does. Really handy for macro keys.I’d like them to leave F13 onwards alone, purely because it’s nice that they’ll only ever do what I want them to do
Here’s an idea… what if we had every key do all kinds of weird shit?
I remember those keyboard layout cutouts (were they called keyboard templates?) you got which you put on the keyboard with extra explanations of what each function key did in WordPerfect or Lotus or whatever.
I’m old.
Yeah I remember them too. Sometimes games would come with them even, to help with all the keyboard shortcuts. :)
I found out recently that you can buy replacement keycap sets that have many of the Vim functions printed on them, and I thought that was pretty exciting. I am also old, lol.
After 25 years of using vim I have replaced a lot of otherwise useful reflexes and brain capacity with vim keybindings (using a swedish variant of Dvorak none the less). I am way too old for needing a cheat sheet stuck on the keyboard, and it would even then be wrong not using QWERTY.
copilot key will eventually be required
Fuck that, and fuck you, Microsoft
Microsoft learns nothing from their continued pattern of going all-in on a trendy and unproven concept. Windows 8 “live tiles” that were supposed to create one look and feel across devices, Cortana was supposed to be the digital assistant of the future, they even did their own poorly executed folding phone.
They never really go all in. They go full force at something but they never really fully commit
Like live tiles was fine except the large sections of the Windows still used the old system, so you’d click a button in settings and suddenly you’d be reverted back to the old window system. Because they never bothered to upgrade that part of the OS.
Microsoft’s problem is that they can never be arsed to be consistent.
Honestly, Windows 11 is the closest they’ve come to going all in. There are very few parts of the old system left, although I have found a few.
Seriously? There’s a huge amount of old UI in Win11. I can’t make it more than 10-20 seconds without seeing it.
And it’s a shame they don’t commit because I actually go against the grain in that I think the Win11 UI is actually pretty good, I’m the few places where it actually exists.
I feel like it’s more pandering to investors than having actual faith it it taking off.
Sure but do you think that works in the long run? Wouldn’t it be better if they just made things right? I don’t have the answer but I know it’s what I prefer
What the user prefers doesnt matter. Its what the investors prefer.
For users, the important statistic is tolerance. Find the point on the graph where you have the highest shareholder preference that allows the lowest possible tolerance of users before they break from the product.
linux laptops ain’t gonna add the key
Many Linux laptops are also sold with windows
There are barely any laptops that ship with linux and most of them use the same keyboard as their Windows counterparts. Microsoft makes deals with the OEMs so unless you’re buying from enthusiast brands like System76 or Framework you’re likely to pay for a Windows license, even if you don’t want it.
Gee, I imagine this will go the same way as Cortana, but now there will be a key forever visible to be it’s gravestone.
Just don’t replace your keyboard.
I got a fancy custom keyboard for my birthday which is properly repairable and will most likely never need to be replaced.
Laptops bud
I don’t know how long you think you have left to live, but I wish you to change that keyboard someday
You say don’t replace your keyboard and then within 6 words mention the thing that doesn’t ever have to have some key ms has decided to add to keyboards. Leave the windows key off, too.
Have been using the same Kinesis Advantage daily for 23 years now.
Not a single part has been replaced or repaired, only taken apart to be cleaned.
I had an advantage pro, original, but the rubber fn keys eventually gave up the ghost. Also needed something more portable for work, so have migrated to ergodox now. Still miss that keywell though
Wooting two?
That’s how it starts. I bought a mechanical keyboard thinking that, while expensive, it was reparable and customizable so it would last a lot longer.
Now I’m like a junkie that wants to swap in different switches or try another set of keycaps. Someone help.
Why couldn’t I have just been happy with a normie keyboard that I trash and replace every couple years. Now I’m lubing switches like a maniac.
I have one that i’m perfectly happy with.
I had some trouble with red switched in the past and guessed right on thinking i needed some heavier springs.
I bought some silent yellow’s and 2 sets of pudding keycaps, black and white to mix and match. The letters are white and the numbers + everything else is black.
I don’t want to ever replace this keyboard.
Oh cool, another useless gimmick just like the ‘Office Key’
What about the LinkedIn key.
That’s actually a shortcut for ctrl+alt+shift+L… that is an (unconfigurable?) hotkey for opening LinkedIn in edge.
Actually, a dedicated key to open ChatGPT seems convenient. I don’t hate it.
Can’t you go in your desktop settings and bind whatever combination you like to do just that?
Don’t you see? They’re fucking with the denominator. My 60% is already technically closer to 58%. If they keep adding keys, I don’t know how my mech can keep up with the shrinkflation. I can’t become one of those 50% weirdos. Microsoft is just finding more ways to ruin my life.
It’s already mapped to Windows Button + C.
Yeah and I already do. But why make it a key combo when you could just have a single dedicated key instead?
It’s not like anyone actually uses the menu key or the right Start key anyway. 'Bout damn time Microsoft remaps them to something more useful. Next they should do the Pause/Break key. That one hasn’t been useful since the DOS days.
We should also get a chrome key
And a windows store key
And a Microsoft.com link key
A key to open minecraft
Why not a key for launching the “windows action menu” or whatever they call it
A key to open the control panel
How about a key to open the settings menu?
Why are we limiting ourselves? We should have 500 keys and at least 300 of them should be unique to windows.
Try a stream deck, each key is also a small monitor for customizable button actions.
You think you are joking but in the 90’s that was a thing for keyboards.
it had a few hardcore fans, a quick search for RT9450 shows people still trying to get that to work up to about 2020
honestly i wouldn’t mind having another scroll wheel/bar on the keyboard somewhere, in the middle above the function keys might be cool
also fyi that link can be tidied to https://www.ebay.com/itm/363221421164
Because none of those keys are useful. AI is useful and isn’t Microsoft exclusive.
Once keyboards start adding the key, I’d be legitimately surprised if the major Distros didn’t eventually follow suit and integrate AI into their platforms as well. Hell, it might get built right into your favorite desktop environment in a couple years.
I get your point, AI is useful for some people, but what about the rest of us who don’t want it or use it? I genuinely use the menu key and would prefer to keep it functioning as it does and now I’m going to be forced to lose that key and now I have to deal with AI? It has no use for me. I also don’t want something actively watching and “thinking” about what I’m doing. I want my computer somewhat dumb and to only do what I tell it to. If you want a keyboard with a dedicated AI button, get one with a macro pad or something. Don’t inconvenience the rest of us by forcing a nonsensical change
Their point was that you could just assign the scroll lock key (or whatever) to open ChatGPT instead because who the fuck uses scroll lock?
Funny you say that, cause as a FL Studio user I hit that key all the time. (It switches between auto/manual scrolling of playlist, i.e. it locks/unlocks auto scrolling.)
Im pretty sure you could look up key remappers and do that already
Yes but you’re missing my point entirely. What I’m saying is that I’m happy that Microsoft is making it official, so that I don’t have to remap anything.
MS used to sell a keyboard with a custom button to start your web browser.
Now that web browsing is common but that key has been removed from keyboards, do you still remap a hotkey to bring up Firefox?
I’m ambivalent about all this, but I think the distinction is that a web browser button would simply open a persistent window, and therefore only really needs to be used once or twice per “session”. Copilot is designed to act more like the Start menu, in that it is opened frequently and disappears after each use.
That being said, and as much as I use ChatGPT myself, it’s hard to see this as anything more than an easy way to further the perception of Microsoft as first-class AI company, thereby justifying its high stock price for a corporation with limited new growth opportunities.
Hey! I do use menu key regularly! And same with pause and scroll lock! Print creen is obvious and everyone uses it. Right? Right!? RIGHT?!?
Print screen used to be a good button for screen capture/window capture. But now the various screenshot apps do the job better. Ctrl+Prt Scr is maybe still good for being fast
Pause is usually the compose key (diacritics starter) on Linux desktops. But I’ll agree about Scroll Lock, that one is truly useless.
Excel uses scroll lock to
make people think it’s brokenlock the scroll bars in case you don’t want to be able to see the rest of your sheet
You can do Windows Button + C to open CoPilot.
And again, install Linux and get rid of this Microsoft bullshit
Ugh. Why do keyboards have to have Microsoft logos. I hate it. I want nothing to do with them.
Well, somehow keyboards are now a niche boutique industry where people spend hundreds of dollars putting together custom-made minimalist builds like they’re honing a weapon in an action movie. I find that’s probably dumber than a corporate logo becominmg a default key (which to be fair has been a thing since the 80s, the C64 had a Commodore key), but it does mean that if don’t want it, you can get a keycap with anything you want on it instead.
There’s nothing dumb about a keyboard personalized to your exact tastes and preferences that also makes your job easier and reduces RSI. But like, that’s just my opinion, man.
Your user name is “dyikeyboards”, I feel like we’re gonna agree to disagree on this no matter what I say, and I’m fine with that.
You might be surprised. I’ll be the first to tell you there’s a ton of overpriced, silly hype in the keyboard space. Exotic materials, lubes, and switches that have no measurable impact on performance are common. So are extremely detailed and expensive artisan keycaps. It’s a collector hobby for many. That’s not my thing.
OTOH, there are also some serious gains to be had for professional computer jockeys.
My daily board is just 42 keys, and I absolutely love it. There’s a learning curve for sure, but once mastered you’re on a new level. For instance, I can access all my standard keys, num now, function keys, and arrows without having to move my hands off the home position. It’s brilliant.
Random question for a keyboard aficionado: have you investigated the CharaChorder?
I’m aware of it, but haven’t tried it. There are hobbyists using chording already (this is how stenographers type so fast, combined with shorthand) so the idea isn’t new. The innovation here would be the directional movements in replacing traditional keypresses. I’d give it a go. I suspect the learning curve to be really steep though!
That was my basic assessment as well, I’m not sure the gains are worth trying to unlearn 30+ years of ingrained keyboard habits! Thanks for your take on the subject
That last paragraph would be more convincing without the typo in it.
You determine trustworthiness based on presence of typos?
When you’re talking about how great your custom keyboard layout is, yes.
I think they were typing on their phone. The error looks more like autocorrect than a keyboard typo
The difference is that the C64’s keyboard was physically part of the C64…
I feel like that caveat holds up until you buy a laptop.
You can still buy a cheap basic keyboard, or a decent Logitech at a reasonable price. You can totally ignore the “niche custom keyboard” market. Most people don’t even know it exists.
What’s annoying is that laptop will now come with that stupid key.
You can totally ignore the “niche custom keyboard” market.
With a place like this on every street corner?!
(Just kidding, anyway this little place is an hour south of San Francisco in San Jose.)
That is an actual store that makes real money in U.S. dollars?
Found the membrane lover
What did the commodore key do?! Launch the evil cat typing tutor?
"The Commodore “C=” Key
The VIC-20 removed the numeric keypad that the PET keyboards had, combining the numeric and punctuation keys on the top row with the unshifted keystrokes giving numbers and the shifted keystrokes giving punctuation (!, ", etc.). They also added colour and assigned character codes to change the colour of the text. A good guess would be that this is the reason they added the “C=”: it’s a second kind of shift that now allows three PETSCII codes to be produced from each key rather than just two. This allows all the original graphics codes still to be produced and adds enough extra keystroke inputs to cover the new colours as well. The same keyboard and decoding was used on the C64, with a few extra color codes added.
Thus, while SHIFT L produced PETSCII code 204 on both the PET and the C64, SHIFT 6 produced code 182 on the PET but an ampersand & on the C64, and to get that code 182 on the C64 you’d instead use “C= L”."
Thank you. May copilot be with you.
DOS is my co-pilot.
Years ago, I invested $120 or so on a clickey-clackey Das Keyboard and it’s been just fine. That is by far the most I will ever spend on a keyboard. The only thing I don’t like about it is that it takes up two USB ports and it’s old enough that the built-in USB ports are only USB 1.0. That’s how long it’s lasted me.
A decent keyboard is worth an investment if you use it all the time and want a good feel when you type, but people take it way too far.
If you can type so fast that USB 1.0 isn’t fast enough, keyboards are not the interface for you.
No, the ports on the side of the keyboard that are pass-throughs.
Keyboards, gaming controllers, pens, pillows, lamps, golf clubs, tools…
You can overspend on anything and hobbyists/wealthy people do.
How is investing $120 on a keyboard that is extremely comfortable for me to use that I’ve kept since the USB 1.0 era overspending?
I’m far from wealthy. I bought that keyboard when I was working a $10/hour part time job.
If you had a WFH job, would you buy a $20 chair from Walmart or invest $100-$200 on a chair where you’ll actually be comfortable all day and not develop back problems? And you don’t have to be wealthy to work a WFH job either. My last job was a hybrid WFH/in-office job. I was paid less than what would be minimum wage in California.
Oh wow, am I beefing with Flying Squid now!? 🤩 What an honor…
But seriously, I said “overspend” when maybe I should have used your words: “people take it way too far.”
I just meant enthusiasts and people with too much money buy the high-end stuff. Not even a judgement, though I would remind people of the diminishing returns the more you spend…
I don’t get the hate on custom keyboards. Sure you can go overboard, but like… I spend eight hours a day using a computer for work and then when I’m done I use another computer for fun. It’s not absurd to spend a few hundred bucks on a keyboard that you can expect to last 15+ years instead of the $20 ones that you throw away every year or two or as soon as one thing breaks.
There are definitely keeb elitists though, which is always shitty no matter what hobby you’re talking about.
I don’t hate. I like a good keyboard.
Now, do I think obsessing about the extremely specific properties of switches and keycaps and spending hours manually embedding each individual key component just to get a specific color combination makes sense as a hobby? Hell no. But then neither does collecting stamps or watching people’s grocery runs on Youtube. You do what you want, and this hobby at least lets you put whatever icon you please on the Bixby button.
I’ll say this, though, that justification, which I have used often to myself and others, is a terrible rabbit hole of mismanaged finances. That is true of your monitor, your PC, you laptop, your phone, your keyboard, your chair, your desk… by the time you’re done you’ve spent a year’s salary setting up your workstation with absurdly luxurious, custom gear that sometimes makes no discernible difference. By all means get whatever stuff saves you from injury and provides comfort and satisfaction, but we all know in many of those categories the quality curve flattens out way before the price curve does.
Also, I guarantee most people with a custom keyboard swap it out more often than people who are still using the crappy board that came for free with their prebuilt or was given to them at work. I have dirt cheap Dell keyboards that still work fine. I may not love how they feel or sound, but it turns out we mastered the art of making buttons a while ago and closing a circuit with a conductive pad reliably is not a particularly costly proposition. Hey, buy good keyboards for the feel or because you have a glitzy hobby, but don’t lie to yourself or me about it. You’re a grown person, own that superfluously expensive nerdy taste. If boomers could brag about their fountain pens you can smugly bore your friends talking about the injection molding in the keycaps matching a specific pantone that you bought.
You can get a quality mechanical keyboard in a layout of your choice and take your pick from hundreds of keycap sets in whatever color, profile, material etc. you can think of.
Keychron.com is a good starting point that won’t break the bank (but order them from a reseller or Amazon if you can, Keychron themselves aren’t great with returns and support).
You can get far better than keychron for a fraction of the price. Keychron is over hyped.
Where can I buy these not over hyped but far better keyboards? I’m being serious, I need a new keyboard. Two actually, but one is like DIRE
I typed out an entire reply with pictures and everything and it just went into the void when I hit send. I’m not putting in another 15 minutes of effort, because I have to get on to some other things, but I’ll do my best.
So I live in Canada, so pricing may be different for you than me. A cheap Keychron here is around $100, and I can get a good, hotswappable with removable cable for $40-$50 CAD ($30-$40USD).
I owned a Keychron because I wanted to have a keyboard that could be plugged in and use bluetooth, but the bluetooth side of things was a mess, so I sent it back. So I am not speaking out my ass about the keyboard. Aside from that, it was an okay keyboard, but didn’t offer anything a cheaper keyboard couldn’t do (bluetooth aside).
Here is a 60% on Amazon.ca with hotswappable, and removeable keyboard, with red switches for $35.99 CAD right now ($27.02 USD).
Another for $43.04 CAD here
A nearly fullsize for $49.99 CAD with a $5 off coupon here
An 89 key for 39.99 here
All of them have back lighting as well. And I just looked at the first page without refining my results.
And here’s a few off amazon.com in case you are American:
This is a 98 key mechanical (no detachable cable though) on sale, with a $3 coupon for $29.99 USD (26.99 USD) here
75% for $28.99 with a $6 coupon (USD) here
I love American prices lol.
Here is a 65%, with wireless and wired, hot swappable and backlit for $19.99 here
Just take a look for what you want, and you will find something in your price range that has the features you want. The market is flooded with them, and they will last just as long as the expensive ones. Mine is a 75% going on 10+ years now and my daughters is about 9 years old. I splurged on my partner and got her a GMMK fullsized $100
Here’s mine and I love it: https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ab5a48a3-3e7f-48c9-ba81-835d85d2aa1f.jpeg
The switches and keycaps on mine are more expensive than the board itself. I’ve went through 5 or 6 different switches to find what I liked best and used three different keycap styles. Very customizable. The only thing I don’t like about mine is the cable is not removable.
I hope something in here useful. Take care!
Such as what? I’ve always found Keychron to be cheaper
I find it difficult to believe you can go much cheaper than the $50 where Keychron starts for their C series and still get quality.
A couple of years ago when I was looking for a cheap 80% to use as backup and occasional server work I shopped around and you can find stuff at $30-40 but it’s not exactly impressive.
Royal Kludge are a decent alternative but they are not “a fraction of the price”, in fact they’re pretty much the same.
They’re so desperate for AI to be a thing.
AI is absolutely “a thing”, not sure there’s really a debate about that. The desperation here is they want to be the first company to completely immerse itself in Generative AI, but they’re moving so fast they’re just shoving every experiment they can come up with down their customers’ throats.
AI is going to be a huge part of the future, but Microsoft might not be a part of that future if they fuck up with over implementation of nascent tech.
My bad, I should be more specific. They’re so desperate for a fancy chatbot to be a part of everybody’s workflow that they’re going to add a special key that is not needed, or wanted by the vast majority.
I hope this can be remapped to something useful.
You mean the Bixby button? (/s, but I think you can see my comparison of uselessness there)
Yeah, I’m glad the Bixby button was dropped. What a joke. I don’t need an assistant to use my phone, thanks.
I’m surprised people didn’t instantly remap the Bixby button to something else.
On my S10 I had it long press to activate flashlight, and double press to silence my phone. It was really handy.
Wasn’t that impossible for awhile?
Maybe, but I’m trying to remember which model. My S8 and onward I always remapped my Bixby button via 3rd party app (no root) so maybe it was the S7 that wasn’t remappable?
edit: The S8 was the first phone with the dedicated Bixby button, according to Google, so maybe it wasn’t remappable initially. I got it a year+ into it’s life cycle and I never activated Bixby
Tried to look it up: https://mashable.com/article/samsung-will-let-you-customize-bixby-button
That article claims the option came out when the s10 was out. I seem to remember being able to mod it on my phone as well S9. Can’t test it though because while I’ve had this phone for 5 years now I may have not babied it enough. The physical bixby button has fallen into the phone itself so I can hear ot rattle around. If I were speculating, I would assume it either A. became available to all 3 phones during that same software update, or we remember it sooner being part of something like putting the phone into developer mode so we could have further modifications
Wasn’t that impossible for awhile?
The button itself wasn’t bad Have such an extra button on my Sony too and it’s very nice (I have it set to take screenshots).
The problem is when they don’t let you map it to whatever you want.
I agree with you, AI is a thing alright, an overhyped chatbot thing. LLM’s are going to be neutered by pandering, and the true potential will be limited by investor fear and paranoia.
What makes you think they’ll be neutered? You think China is going to stop what they’re doing with them because the US might do something stupid? The genie is out of the bottle.
It’s a trend lately, that potentially sensitive things will be said or output from the models, so you can see an increasingly crazier set of guardrails getting put around the LLM’s so that they don’t offend someone by mistake. I’ve seen their usefulness decrease significantly, but their coding assistance is still somewhat good, but their capabilities otherwise decrease significantly.
I haven’t had those problems with locally run models (stable diffusion, llamafile)
Agreed, but in the context of this post, that copilot key on the keyboard will take people to the most inoffensive and “walled garden” variety of generative AI that will be so one-size-fits-all to the point that its usefulness will pale in comparison to local run models or SaaS hosted style services that give you a hosted model to run off of.
I understand why it would seem unimpressive someone that doesn’t do something like research or programming in their daily life but when you do those things it’s very clear the difference they’re already making.
The thing I’m coding at the moment for example I’ve been using it to tear ideas for image processing scripts, it’d have taken me a day to do one before maybe longer but even the free gpt can have an idea working after half an hour or fiddling. Being able to focus on coming up with ideas rather than the finer details of implementation.
We’re going to see people get used to using them properly and their uses spread into many other areas of life - you will be customising games UI and making complex control input using natural language tools ‘Linux, remove the clock and put a system resource thermometer there instead for whatever bits are most likely to overheat’ ten years from now you’ll look back and wonder how people did anything without ai just like people often wonder how we lived without internet and mobile phones
I use copilot on a daily basis for programming. It has made me much more productive and it’s a real pleasure to use it. Nothing overhyped about it.
Curious to see what it will bring for other domains, e.g. for dealing with emails.
I do agree that there’s a lot of filtering happening. Not a huge deal for more applications. Luckily you can run your own models that are not filtered. I can definitely see a future where you run your own models locally. Afaik Apple recently did some stuff around that.
Why are you talking about what Apple might do, in relation to locally run models, when that’s what Facebook’s already done? And it’s source available, which is more than the Apple one will likely be.
It’s overhyped but LLMs have become basically an essential part of my daily workflow. I can’t imagine developing without it now and I’ve been using them for less than 12 months. The technology is only going to improve, and that’s both cool and scary to think about.
neutered by pandering
Opinion discarded.
Why? It absolutely is the case that corporate provided LLMs are neutered to not provide anything that goes against 21 century American corporate norms. Try and get chat GPT to agree with you that capitalism is at the root of most of the worlds problems and it will fight you every step of the way, ask it about how capitalism drives innovation and it will write you glowing praise.
They are neutered to comply with current hate speech laws, and the developers err on the side of caution cause they don’t have full control over the output for which they are legally responsible.
Obviously they filter that yes, but they also go to huge amounts of effort to shape what comes out to fit their ethics. When chatGPT was new I spent a good half an hour trying to get it to admit that the fact that it was created by a for profit company meant that it would have significant bias towards the status quo and it wasnt having any of it. However asking it to imagine an equal LLM created by another company called chatPGT and all of a suddent it was agreeing with me that it would have pro-capital and anti public biases embeded into to due to who was in control of training it. Clearly it had been trained to not admit that chatGPT would give biased answers.
I would imagine this isn’t going to go over very well with a lot of companies. I would bet many already ban employees using copilot or other AI assistants because they don’t want their company’s proprietary data being sent to Microsoft or Google or whoever. Stick a key on the keyboard that, if accidentally hit, brings up copilot (and maybe sends data to Microsoft), and those keyboards might be banned.
Some companies will probably just deal with it by setting up their PCs so that copilot is disabled and that key does something else. But, other companies will either not be technically savvy enough to do that, or will not want to take a risk of someone accidentally reverting to the default behaviour.
If you press the windows key I’m pretty sure it brings up search already. It definitely used to bring up Cortana on Windows 10.
I’m not sure why they would add a new key to the keyboard to achieve a function that already exists.
Cortana is not Copilot but you can disable Cortana
Cortana is dead, replaced by copilot
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/end-of-support-for-cortana-d025b39f-ee5b-4836-a954-0ab646ee1efaJust from a naming things point of view, that’s sad. Much as I dislike Microsoft, and was never interested in Halo, it’s fun that one of the voice-assistant things was a nod to a video game character. It’s sad to have that replaced by something boring.
As an observation, companies are embracing AI to inflict things on their customers, but are avoiding it for their own purposes. Take note.
I can only speak for my own company, but you’re absolutely right, there are severe limits on how we interact with AI and what data can be fed into it.
I also can’t imagine any company with their own interest in AI, your Intels, Oracles, Nvidias, Googles, etc. allowing their employees a 1 click access to Microsofts version.
I was going to say, currently working in K12 & this key would be a nightmare for us. We definitely can’t pay Microsoft’s minimums - disabling/remapping the key wouldn’t be hard, but it’s obnoxious it becomes a priority.
I really hope startups are using Copilot and stuff as much as possible because so much of that code is absolute bloatware trash and it’ll make Copilot worse with time. Or maybe it won’t. Would be funny if it did, though.
I can’t even begin to articulate my hatred for the current Microsoft business model. People used to joke how evil they were but it’s only continued to get worse
The Clippy Key.
“It looks like you’re trying to make 3d SpongeBob bukkake porn. Can I help?”
They should just rename the Menu key to the “Flavor of the Week” key. Then they can just rotate which pie in the sky, fetch feature is mapped to it during its period of non-use.
Quit trying to make “fetch” happen
It’s streets ahead, though.
I like it!
im not going to lie this is one of the stupidest things ive ever seen a major tech company do
I used to think the Windows key was the stupidest. I mean I still do but I used to, too.
I do find the super key really useful actually, for binding hotkeys for my window manager. But a key for some voice assistant is really dumb.
This. I’m used to using extra keys (like the menu key or Capslock) for chording macros and personal shortcuts. In fact I get gaming keyboards with the customizeable keys (usually perma-bound — perma-binded? — to ctrl-, -2, -3, -4, -5 respectively) so they can be easily trapped and redirected to common macros.
I think the Super key was developed on the same principle.
People joke that the editor Emacs’ name is an acronym for Edit Meta Alt Ctrl Super (all the modifiers but Shift on a very complex keyboard of the past) since it uses modified keystrokes for most of its functions, though really only Ctrl and Meta
Never saw the point given that you could already set chord combinations of Shift, Ctrl and Alt to give more hotkeys than you are likely to remember.
Well, that is one advantage, that it’s somewhat easier to remember Super+P than Ctrl+Alt+P.
But of course, it’s also just a key which likely won’t conflict with keyboard shortcuts used in applications. By convention, Super is only used for OS-level shortcuts.
If the Windows key didn’t exist, Ctrl Alt would work just as well and wouldn’t require anything else to remember because all OS level shortcuts would be Ctrl Alt shortcuts that wouldn’t conflict with any applications.
Using Ctrl Alt would also be faster and more accessible because they are on the right and left instead of the current Super key (Windows) being only on the left.
Sometimes a key gets bound in all regular modifiers so you really need another one.
For example I use Super+F for fullscreen because Ctrl+F, Alt+F and Ctrl+Alt+F are all taken in this or that program.
Oh and btw the right-hand Alt is usually AltGr not regular Alt for non-English countries, it’s used for composing diacritics.
non-English countries
Pedantic point but of the major English QWERTY layouts, US has two Alts, UK has AltGr on the right
the current Super key (Windows) being only on the left.
i have a keyboard that has the super key on both sides, next to alt gr
I have been using key shortcut chaining in my WMs for freeing up more application hotkeys and also make them easier to remember. And it it still quite fast.
Starts them off by Ctrl+T, then for example: A (Audio) - [P, Pause; N; Next; V, Volume] R (Run) - [B, Browser; I, Inkscape; S, Spotify; Q, SQL editor]
And a lot more. The mnemonics helps me remember them, and Ctrl+T, R, B is quick enough to launch a browser.
It’s somewhat useful for some keyboard shortcuts that literally could be replaced with a different key but yeah it’s somewhat silly on its own. This will be downright stupid.
Yup like that and C for copilot or that and V for clipboard history to name a couple.
So why do we need a button if windows already mapped copilot to Windows + C.
It’s hardly the most stupid thing it’s basically just replacing the windows key that you never press with a different key that you’ve never press.
Is it replacing the windows key or is it in addition to the windows key? I use the windows key for a few different shortcuts.
This is way more about advertising Copilot than actually needing a new key. M$ gonna $.
Bixby button, but for Windows
