YouTube suspends Russell Brand from making money off his channel — The suspension comes following the publication of rape and sexual assault allegations against the British star::YouTube has blocked Russell Brand from making money off its platform and the BBC pulled some of his shows from its online streaming service in the wake of rape and sexual assault allegations against the comedian-turned-influencer.

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    I have no reason to doubt the allegations. But allegations shouldn’t be enough for somebody to lose their livelihood.

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      Well I’m sure Google will be donating the money to sexual assault non profits rather than pocketing the profits right?

      Right?

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          Most corporations would suspend his account completely for damage control.

          They’re suspending his income. That’s theft.

          I made a joke comment, well since they’re taking his money, I’m sure it’s going to victims. Right?

          And you come along and point out that, in your belief, all corporations steal revenue from their content providers when they get accused of a crime. Show me one other platform that’s done this. Suspended revenue (i.e. stealing revenue) prior to conviction rather than canceling content.

          Note the BBC cancelled him. Google is still making money off an accused rapist. In fact, more. Because said rapist isn’t getting a cut.

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            No, they aren’t. His videos aren’t being promoted or monotonized. Search and find some. Since they will not be getting promoted to you. You will see no advertisements directly before or during. Because they aren’t.

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        FYI, even if ISP’s were absorbed the the government and made into a utility as you suggest, Google would still own YouTube and still be able to demonetize whoever it wants.

        I’m not sure why this thread is such a swarm of brainless zero IQ takes.

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        Has he been banned from using the Internet? No? Then you’re spewing bullshit. YouTube doesn’t have to host his content and advertisers don’t need to pay him for it. He isn’t entitled to shit. He can fuck off to some right-wing hellscape of a site that will platform him. That’s capitalism baby!

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          Again. Not a rapist until proven so in a court. And yes, I understand the difficulty in proving it and I believe him to be guilty, but not a rapist until proven so.

          I know there is a huge failing by the courts with these types of cases but we must avoid trial by media at all costs.

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          As long as the content itself is legal, why shouldn’t they?

          Where do you draw the line? Rapist, Alleged rapist, Murderer, someone who committed assault, fraud? They’d have to demonitize a good chunk of the entertainment industry.

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      For 700 years one of the central principles of British law has been that someone shouldn’t be punished without being brought in Answer by due Process of the Law.

      It’s scary how many people are willing to throw that out the window and behave like medieval peasants lynching witches.

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        Who’s throwing him in prison? He’s isn’t facing any legal consequences as a result of this news. He’s facing social consequences from organisations that no longer want to be associated with him. He’s free to being a libel case in the UK if he wants to clear his name, but instead he put up a video claiming “they’re” out to get him.

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        This principle exists to shield the people from their government. It is not intended to be (and has never been) a protection for someone’s social status or reputation.

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      I don’t think it’s that simple. Heinous allegations can make that business relationship untenable. YouTube has an image to protect as well as other partnerships to maintain. There are people (not just wealthy executives) whose livelihood relies on those things,.

      If a person’s reputation, fair or not, creates a risk to those things, why should YouTube be forced to assume that risk on their behalf?

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        Bullshit. If they wanted to cut ties and protect their image, they could block the channel and wash their hands.

        This here is pure profiteering.

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      No one should see YT as a “livelyhood” as no one has a contract with them guaranteing income.

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      Google used to be incredibly hands-off about these things, only terminating someone if they were actually convicted in a court of law.

      Compare the cases of Austin Jones (who didn’t have his YouTube channel terminated until he was actually convicted of distributing child porn and sentenced to ten years in prison) and EDP445 (who was caught in a pedophile hunter sting operation and was immediately terminated from all social media.)

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    Google again pretending to be the moral police. Based on accusations of something that might or might not have happened 20 years ago. Apparently they don’t have a problem with him being on their platform or showing ads on his videos though, they just want to save some money and look like they’re doing the right thing (they are not).

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    Just a reminder that there are a far more allegations against Trump, and Trump has been found liable for rape, and yet Trump is the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination.

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        I think it’s important to point it out. The other rapist is exalted when he should be getting shut down too.

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            Yeah. Here:

            https://amp.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/17/a-timeline-of-sexual-assault-allegations-against-russell-brand

            Of all those claims, these stuck out:

            • a 16 year old in 2006 when he was 30 and gave her instructions to hide from parents. Underage is rape.

            • In 2012 he is accused of raping a woman who was treated in a Rape Treatment Center afterwards.

            • In 2020, there was another 16 year old and evidently his manager believed him at first and then issued a statement saying he was misled and terminated business with him.

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              16 is not underage in the UK, where this is alleged to have happened.

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                While it’s not “technically” underage rape, let’s be honest it basically is. No normal person thinks it’s acceptable for some in there 30s to have a relationship with a 16 year old.

                The law is there to protect say an 18 year old in collage, where it’s common for 16-18 year olds to be in the same classes, not for creepy 30+ year olds.

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                  That’s not how the law works though. You can drink whatever alcohol you can legally buy the second you turn 18 (in the UK). The same applies for sex at 16. Maybe you don’t like it, but 16 is the age of consent for sex, with whoever else is legal.

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                Both child grooming and emotional and sexual assault are illegal in the UK, bizarre as this may seem to you.

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                  I fully support them being illegal, why would you think that would be bizarre to me?

                  I merely pointed out, in the case of the 16 year old schoolgirl, she was not legally underage, no matter how shocking and disturbing we may find Brand’s behaviour, which I do. I don’t think she has made any claims of rape or assault against Brand, but others have. I don’t know what laws, if any, apply to his treatment of her, but I don’t think underage sex is one of them.

                  If we think something is already illegal when it isn’t, then it reduces the incentive to change the law - why make something illegal when you already think it is? Possibly the UK needs new legislation to vary the age of consent depending on the participants, as in other states.

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              I only see allegations, no convictions. Remember what happened to Kevin Spacey and Julian Assange?

              For what it’s worth: I’m not saying he’s innocent. But to go from allegation to conviction, you’ll need a judge in my book. Not a trial by media.

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                Youtube yanks monetization from much poorer people for much more mysterious and never revealed reasons. It’s a privately owned business, known for fucking over its content creators.

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                Well there are cases where one unnamed source makes an unprovable accusation, and then there are cases with multiple alleged victims over the span of a decade…

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                  don’t pretend like it would be impossible for the powers that be to conjure up people to make simultaneous accusations to get someone out of the public arena

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                Yes, this is true about Spacey being innocent. I have personally known people who have made false allegations so I don’t doubt it happens.

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        Just trying to resolve some cognitive dissonance for Trump supporters who maybe haven’t thought about it in these terms.

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      Imagine hating someone so much you bring him into any convo you enter. We get it bro, orange man bad, last I heard he is in jail or something. now shut up!

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    I have no idea if he did or didn’t any of the alleged. But what happened to innocent u til proven guilty? Anyone accused of anything these days gets cancelled.

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      I mean there are definately people who havent been canceled. Reminder that Chris Brown is probably bigger than he once was and everyone knows hes actually beaten up people

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          Worst case scenario Ben Shepiro offers them a spot on the Daily Wire.

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          I would say that ACTUALLY being “cancelled” is the exception.

          I’d argue it’s the opposite.

          Most working class people can suffer real consequences as a result of it. Those who are rich, famous, and/or influential can afford to just pivot.

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      Google is not the law, and they can do whatever they want with their company.

      They don’t have to continue to pay him if they don’t want to — innocent, guilty, whichever. Just like they don’t have to continue to host nazi garbage or MAGA garbage if they don’t want to.

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        Google is not the law, and they can do whatever they want with their company.

        Sure, but imagine your employer just fired you because of accusations before it ever reached trial. Illegal? No. Ruining someone’s livelihood even though they’re innocent legally speaking? Yes.

        Not defending this person, I genuinely do not even know who they are. But “private company can do whatever they want, your rights are only something the government has to care about” is a pretty concerning position to take. Not to mention they didn’t seem to take down or stop running ads on the channel, just stopped giving him the money. They’re profiting off of his content without paying him and using an unverified (but very possibly accurate) accusation as an excuse. That should be illegal.

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          I would hope my job would fire me if there were a dozen complaints about me ranging from mental abuse to rape over the span of over a decade.

          I agree with you about Google just pocketing any money made off him though, that’s messed up

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            The influx of libertarian dead minded commenters here is exhausting. Too concerned with zero tolerance rules to even consider the details or understand the difference. I thought Reddit was bad.

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        This only works because Youtube has the loosest form of contracts with its creators. Your regular employers can’t fire you because of allegations or hearsay (modulo local labor laws).

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        This puts Russel Brand in a position to sue for libel and slander as the court of public opinion has already declared him guilty. What happens if he is found innocent at his court case. What if they did this to Johnny Depp?

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          Nothing. These people aren’t entitled to companies wanting to work with them. This isn’t the same thing as being a W-2 worker somewhere.

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          “Not guilty” is distinct from “innocent”, and such a verdict, if a trial ever comes of this, would not impact libel or slander. Being unable to prove your accusations in court to the standard required is not a determination that the accusations were false, only that doubt remained.

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      Not sure why you’re being downvoted, nobody here knows if he did it or not.

      Unfortunately, that’s pretty much a wrap for him. Nobody has come back from rape allegations, even if they win in court.

      I don’t even like the guy, but I really dislike how we’ve regressed to the point where feelings are more important than facts.

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            It was a defamation case in which the courts determined that Trump made false statements by denying the allegations because he most likely did sexually assault E. Jean Carroll.

            No criminal case was brought because it’s beyond the statute of limitations, and since the legal bar in a criminal case is higher I don’t think any prosecutor would bring those charges even if statute of limitations wasn’t an issue.

            https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/e-jean-carroll-sued-trump-defamation-last-resort-blame-statute-ncna1077321

            At the time when Carroll alleges Trump raped her, the statute of limitations for rape in the state of New York was five years.

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          There was no real evidence though. Just he said she said. Let’s not pretend like there aren’t huge incentives to make false allegations and that there are entities out there capable executing on that plan. I say this as someone who is not a fan of Trump.

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        Cancelled people don’t come back!? What fucking planet are you living on?

        Bret The Rapist Kavanaugh got everything he wanted after getting cancelled.

        Floyd Wife Beater Mayweather will still be remembered for his boxing career than the shit he should be remembered for.

        Louie Indecent Exposure CK came back to the Comedy Scene years after getting cancelled only to make disingenuous jokes about his behavior.

        These pieces of garbage should hang their heads in shame and suffer social ostracism until all their victims vocally and emphatically forgive them publicly.

        The fact we make excuses for and defend these “people” because of their social status and a myriad of legal loopholes that allow for them to walk free with their heads held high while their victims are questioned and vilified is fucking pathetic.

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        I mean Deshaun Watson came back with 230 million dollars guaranteed after several sexual harrasment allegations. Public image wise hes gone, but that doesnt mean he still doesnt make a shit ton of money (and all of it guaranteed)

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          Several? Man was at 26 allegations and he is still currently being sued. The Browns were stupid enough to pay him thinking he was going to save them and to a vast majority of football fans joy he isn’t playing well. I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes broke.

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      He isn’t jailed is he?

      And not even cancelled either. He is still even allowed to post content to Youtube.

      Anyone who can still say they are cancelled aren’t actually cancelled.

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    It’s not the fucking job of YouTube to judge and punish. We have judges and the Criminal Code for that. We should not let us ruled by corporations!

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      I’m guessing the challenge is advertisers. Advertisers buy ad space next to or in video content. No advertiser wants to buy ad space that is adjacent to or makes it look like they are supporting someone under public scrutiny for sexual assault allegations. So as Google, where you need to sell good ad space to paying advertisers, bother with running ads next to Russel Brand or just say no and make that clear to advertisers to build confidence?

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      Yeah but they clearly feel there is enough smoke to be worried about a fire and are entitled to cut ties. It may be the case if they don’t that people take their impartial inaction to be supporting him. They have ethics and morality clauses in their TOS.

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        It’s one thing if they actually stop running ads on his videos. I bet they crank more ads on them instead.

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      Oh my God shut up. No one has the right to force a private company to pay them money. YouTube can do any fucking thing they want

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      No, but as a private firm it is there decision what they host, promote and show adverts against. He has no contract with YT guaranteeing an income, thats not how it works. If he wants a guaranteed income he should get back on TV with a contact, but he Burt those bridges when he become a conspiracy grifter.

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        Yea I understand that, but so many content creators get thrown under the bus by YouTube, twitch, etc. that I think there should be a law protecting individuals from big cooperations that they are dependent on. I know, it’s different in America compared to where I live, here, if you have someone Working for you and you fire that person, depending how long this person works for you already, you have to pay salary for up to 3 months. (There are few reasons that allow cancellation of contract immediately) After you got fired, you can go to a place called “Arbeitslosenkasse” where you get 80% of salary going forward as long as you try to get a new job.

        So maybe thats why I find it odd when YouTube just flick a switch upon obligations…

        Btw. I don’t know that guy the post is about and highly doubt that he is innocent given the infos I have seen yet.

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          I mean its the same in the UK with employment protections, but YouTubers wouldn’t be covered by that as they’re not employees and don’t have contracts. Google don’t really have to share any revenue with uploaders as they’re already providing the infrastructure and storage for free.

          No one should rely on that as income and just see it as a bonus, to other income streams.

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          We have the same laws in the UK, but he’s self-employed. Can you not be self-employed where you live?

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      Advertisers won’t want to be shown on his videos while this is ongoing.

      Keeping them happy is in fact literally their job.

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      Agree, there’s actual rapists and incels on YouTube that need banning before an alleged rapist or SA.

      and they might have tainted any jurors ifa case did come about.

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    If you ever get accused of a crime, your whole life should be cancelled as a precautionary measure /s

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      Another way this could be phrased is - Following serious allegations of rape and sexual assaults advertiser’s do not wish to be associated with Russell Brand so YouTube stops showing their adverts on his channel

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        But why can’t those advertisers just block him as an individual?

        We are now in a world where accusations now result in a de facto guilty verdict. We already saw this with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard.

        No need for YouTube to blanketly make the decisions for all advertisers

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          This is how advertising works. Advertisers do not want to be responsible for vetting every placement, part of what the publisher is being paid for in “run-of-site” / “run-of-network” advertising is curation of ad-adjacent content.

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          There’s nothing stopping him getting his own advertising on his channel, he hasn’t been banned from YouTube.

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            Why does Google have to restrict which form of advertising he needs to use?

            By confining him to certain types of advertising, it makes him less appealing to advertisers.

            What if these accusations end up being false? I’m not losing sleep over Russell Brand losing money but if we hold the same logic it could damage smaller entities that can’t afford it.

            We see this with channels like the Armchair historian. Google demonitized that channel just because they had Nazi flags in a historical context when talking about WWII.

            Another case could be made for anyone who wants to defame another individual. If someone doesn’t like management for a local restaurant that advertises on YouTube, someone can just say “I heard from several people you had rats in your restaurant” or “I heard you had racist employees in your restaurant”. We now live in a world where just the allegation is enough to damage an entity, regardless of if it is based in fact.

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              In this instance it isn’t just an allegation though - one of the women has evidence she went to a rape crisis centre on the same day, which Channel 4 was able to confirm with the centre, and text messages from Brand on the same day where he apologised for his rape.

              Why would Google continue to profit from his actions? That would be mental.

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          There’s a difference between accusations and a four year media investigation. Especially UK media that has to adhere to pretty strict libel laws. They’ve had to make sure they have the receipts and proof for the papers legal team to sign off on the story. This isn’t like Zoe Quinn chucking out some accusations on Twitter and ending up with a bloke topping himself. Also if you remember, Depp lost his lible case in the UK.

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          a de facto guilty verdict. We already saw this with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard.

          We only saw this with Amber Heard. Speaking of simping, Depp had an army of incels and “men’s rights” douchers behind him from the get go. Anyone who had any objective comments about that whole case would get chewed out and brigaded by a bunch of insecure woman beaters standing up for poor little Johnny Depp. The worst was how everyone acted like they knew both of their lives inside and out, and they really believed that they were experts on their situation because they watched livestreamed court proceedings. It is a great example, just in the opposite direction.

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            Just watched a documentary about it which made Depp look pretty bad. I still believe he was more of a victim than her.

            Why in the fuck do you people think you can ignore the recording of her taunting him about how no one would believe him and then what a FUCKING PUSSY she kept calling him? The evidence she’s a huge piece of shit is there. Him too to a degree, but she’s at another level. He lost part of his finger. Can’t fake that shit.

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      The thing is, he isn’t cancelled.

      Nobody who can say they are cancelled actually are cancelled, because if they were actually cancelled you wouldn’t hear anything from then.

      Anyway, he still is allowed to post Youtube videos, just doesn’t get money from Google for them.

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        “nobody who can say they were cancelled actually are cancelled” don’t you think that means you should redefine what “cancelled” means in your head?

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      It’s a bit more than an accusation, it’s a four year investigation by several media outlets signed off by their legal department. Not someone on twitter.

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      Russell Brand is a wealthy, famous Hollywood star who does not know who you are and will never give you the love you needed from your father.

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        You have allowed yourself to become so cynical that the only reason you can conceive of for speaking up in another person’s defense is that it might be part of some psychological complex from childhood.

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          Give me another reason to stand up for a famous hollywood star you know nothing real about, just a carefully and expensively crafted media persona.

          I’m all for a good discussion around the social implications of false accusations, but there’s an exceptional amounting of simping going on for one specific special boy.

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            Aside from false accusations - how about tech monopolies (only beholden to profits/shareholders) being judge, jury and executioner?

            I think Brand is a narcissistic prick, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care how he’s treated by even bigger evils.

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              I agree that capitalism is bad.

              But since we live in a capitalist country, I do my part as an informed consumer and I don’t use Google products.

              But this particular brand of whining about “big tech” is so stupid. Google risks losing advertisers. Google acts to not lose it’s advertisers. Cry a river that in a capitalist economy a business takes action to protect its income source.

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    It’s kind of weird how so much of this thread seems to think a monetized YouTube channel is a human right or something

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      That’s not the point.

      If someone made an allegation against you, would you expect your employer to sack you first and ask questions later or would you like the chance to defend yourself legally first?

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        Dude, people get fired all the time after being arrested or accused of a heinous act. All of this well before ever going to trial. Businesses don’t have to and often won’t keep someone on that is a risk to their company, culture, or brand identity.

        It absolutely sucks that people can lose their livelihood over “he said / she said”, but the fact is that it happens all the time.

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        If I was was accused of something awful yes I’d be fired. That how life works, doesn’t make it fair. The reason? Because 9 times out of 10 it’s true.

        Why do you want a potential rapist to get special privileges?

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          Literally every human on the planet is a “potential rapist”.

          So by your rhetoric nobody should be able to be employed or have a YouTube channel.

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            By your incel logic only proven rapists would ever suffer a single consequence of any type. You’d probably support a law that bans even making the accusation publicly until after a conviction. And this is one of many reasons women should avoid you.

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              Your now assuming my political position and not addressing my words. We can disagree, I just ask you not insult me.

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                Yeah pretend not to understand the point I’m making, intentionally read words literally and ignore context, but it’s indeed me who is insulting here

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                  We cannot have a functional discussion if personal attacks and insults are involved. At that point how can we establish good faith discord?

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          I don’t think that the democratic principle of innocent until proven guilty is special treatment, nor do I think that the right to a fair trial is special treatment.

          God forbid, you ever get falsely accused of anything nefarious, you’ll deserve the treatment that you condone.

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            And by extension, you obviously expect to be accused of something like this, because you are bending over backwards to defend a probable rapist.

            Innocent until proven guilty was NEVER applied anywhere but a legal context and your willful attempts at ignoring that fact when presented it, indicate you’re exactly as suspect as you originally came off. Great job.

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      It is very concerning how prominent the “innocent until proven guilty” phrase is getting thrown around. Nothing weird has happened here and this idea never applied anywhere but a courtroom, and yet all these commenters seem convinced of the opposite of both points.

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      These fucking red pilled incels. Yeah, they can overrun any comment section, but get them in the real world and they scurry back to the shadows roaches.

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      He is a working class person from Essex. He’s not pretending to be anything he isn’t, except arguably an intellectual. No need to be so vitriolic.

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        Being a drug addict does not make you working class.

        He glamourises drugs and other grubby behaviour and makes a living out of being obnoxious, until people call him out on it, at which point he turns on the waterworks and does the “oh poor little street kid me” act.

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          He left his single parent home at 16 before turning to drugs. How was he not working class. He’s an ex-drug addict and doesn’t glamourise them at all. I don’t even like him, but the facts are out there.

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            What do you think “working class” means?

            You obviously haven’t seen any of his material. He’s built his whole career on drugs. Find a clip where he’s not talking about them.

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              You want me to find a clip of Russell Brand not talking about drugs? Wow… impossible.

              Working class is anyone from the social group of unskilled or manual/industrial work. The people who work these jobs and their families/children. Like Russell Brand. He’s not working class anymore, but he just factually was as a child. Weird hill to die on.

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                …which proves my point.

                You don’t seem to understand what the argument is about.

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                  There isn’t an argument, you called him the fakest piece of shit around and then suggested he was some kind of privileged upper class toff pretending to be an Essex urchin. But the obvious reality is he presents himself as he is. You chose the dumbest attack you could have. Attack his politics or something.

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    My dad got sucked into the Russell Brand woo during the pandemic. Maybe he’ll finally come to his senses now this guy is an obvious fraud?

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      Low chance, more likely he’ll think Brand is some kind of martyr. Brand immediately dove into the Andrew Tate angle.

      It’s simple: if you’re a media personality that uses your influence and money to groom and/or sexually harass or assault women, simply tell your audience that the government is trying to silence you, because “you’re a dangerous revolutionary too close to the truth” or anything like that really.

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    It’s a bit hard to accurately gauge these sorts of things when there is such a large incentive to lie about this stuff to get someone out of the political arena. This is inclusive of all sides. I don’t know how we should properly go about these things but the truth is that there are entities with LOTS of money and connections who can ruin anyones life without any hard evidence in an instant. None of us know what happened, it’s up to the court of law to properly determine things. But you’d be ignorant to think that the powers that be wouldn’t throw rape accusations at anyone who is inconvenient to those in power.

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      If you watched the piece, there is video evidence of him being a disgusting piece of shit regardless. There was footage of him forcefully kissing a presenter and undoing her bra. The police failed to investigate. These women were failed by lazy, misogynistic police, just like they always are.

      To top it off, slander laws in the UK are very strict, no one is going to post accusations like this without serious evidence to back themselves up.

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        When the evidence presents itself I will make my judgement.

        no one is going to post accusations like this without serious evidence to back themselves up.

        This is quite the statement to make. I argue that accusations like this get posted all the time without serious evidence to back it up. I will wait for the evidence to come out of him raping someone before I make a judgement in either direction.

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        There have been documented cases of rich people being informed they will have accusations thrown at them in the public eye if they do not pay out. Every time a public figure criticizes a politician to the point of possibly swaying some public opinion, I promise you that their team is working overtime to find any dirt possible to shut that person up. There’s a whole industry around it where firms are paid big money to dig up (and less scrupulously, fabricate) shit on people who go against their interests. It’s not that far fetched.

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          Christ you have a conspiracy for everything don’t you? Lemmy’s a small place. But this is very informative about your other comments.

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    Didn’t he practically brag about treating women like shit until he had a daughter? That’s what his rebirth special was cringefully about. He was literally making money about talking about treating women like shit.