Fucking good. About time
^^^^ You know how I know this place is a honeypot? ^^^
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Heads up, your archive didn’t work. It’s just a blue screen. Sometimes that happens on lemmy, I would just try it again, see if it works that time.
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Lmao you’re really fucking bent out of shape that people know about extremely well known porn sites like nhentai, a site so popular that the indexing has become a recognizable meme
January 6th was an attempt at insurrection
What, did your pet unicorn tell you that?
No, watching it happen live told me that.
Yeah watching it live showed me it wasn’t.
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I agree it wasn’t an attempt at insurrection, or an insurrection, but you could’ve worded it better. Maybe mention that they were literally waved in, that they were allowed to roam for hours without resistance, that they had no guns in the building, the only one killed that day was a unarmed protestor, all very good points.
I mean idgaf to put in the effort for a response to that guy
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I mean everyone here knows that you’re just going to throw a fit anyway, why waste any more effort than necessary calling out your bullshit?
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I mean nice and all but likely isn’t gonna mean much with SCOTUS likely to take it up
I thought states had full autonomy from the feds to run their election.
States don’t, mostly because racists Democratic states wouldn’t let POC vote.
I’m sure you must have sources and citations to back up the allegations that you are making.
Poll taxes were a scheme democrats uses to stop POCs from voting. They were abolished with the 24th. Amendment. Literacy tests were another way racists democrats suppressed voting that was stopped with the voting rights act of 1965.
https://constitution.laws.com/24th-amendment
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/voting-rights-act
The 24th amendment?
The one that was ratified in 1964?
You other example was from 1965?
Yes the 24th admendment was ratified in 1964 and the voting rights act in 1965.
Fifty-eight years ago?
No. States don’t have full autonomy. They have regulations as well as everyone else. SCOTUS has final say if the law is constitutional.
Not a lawyer but the issue I see he hasn’t been convicted of anything close to rebellion.
Not a lawyer but the issue I see he hasn’t been convicted of anything close to rebellion.
The 14th specifies no requirement for conviction. And historical precedent* has been set such that it does not require conviction.
*precedent
Damn auto correct 😁
Autocorrect is the bane of the world. Sometimes it helps. Sometimes it’s a lethal weapon.
Is there precedent? I’m not aware of anyone else who’s been banned from elections for insurrection, but this also isn’t my area. I kind of assumed it would follow the ‘innocent until proven guilty in a court of law’ thing, but I also don’t know how much of a hard and fast rule that is for this type of crime.
I am genuinely curious. I kind of assumed he would never actually be charged and the amendment could never be invoked as a result.
Not sure what you mean by historical presidents. Did you mean precedence ? Prior cases we people who actually formed a new country. I’m not aware of anything other cases where there was a riot alone. Can you cite a prior case where they were not in a state that rebelled ?
I do not accept your attempt to move the goal posts. Your claim was about whether conviction was necessary. It is not.
It’s not moving the goalpost.
I suspect because he was never part of a rebellion, has not been charged with it or convicted of it, scotus will reject the courts opinion. The previous cases didn’t need a conviction because it was considered de facto
I am not a lawyer either, I guess we’ll see what the Supreme Court says after Jan 4th.
I dislike Trump. I met him in person when he was a liberal democrat. He’s not a conservative. That said, I do not think he tried to overthrow the government and I agree. It’s a dangerous precedent. Let the voters decide. I think of Trump had left with grace, he’d stomp Biden in the next election. Instead he’s thrown a childish shit fit and that turns a lot of people off. I won’t vote for Biden but that doesn’t mean I’lol vote for Trump. In 2016 I didn’t vote because both were garbage.
You might not call him a conservative but he’s the head of the party and the leading nominee right now.
At this point he is the definition of an American conservative whether you like him or not.
He’s the face. Not the leader.
Who is the leader?
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and now starts the debate of what is an insurrection.
I suspect scotus will overturn it. There have been no charges, much less a conviction that would trigger the clause in the 14th amendment.
It’s pretty telling how far the left will go, it shows how terrified the establishment is of another Trump presidency.
It already exposed corruption at the highest levels.
Funny how the left screams “insurrection” over Jan 6 (where these victims were verbally nvited in by security, we have video of them unlocking doors to let people in, and the lies upon lies told about things such as the only death that day was a murder perpetrated by a security guard), but doesn’t see the hundreds of people storming congress years ago as an insurrection because their side did it.
Enforcing the 14th amendment is not corruption.
Attempting to overthrow an election is an insurrection.
Remember recently when people were storm state capitals? I think Thomas Jefferson said it best.
I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.
Trump isn’t the problem. He’s the result of problems unsolved.
According to some judges in Colorado, an insurrection is whenever the democrats get pissy and don’t like you
Imagine if January 6th was done by a mob of Black People instead MAGAots. THAT’S how angry you SHOULD be!
Pretty fucked up of you that you treat black people differently than everyone else
I have an issue with anyone being denied running for office when they have not been charged or convicted of the crime they are accused
He has been charged.
Cite.
dEMoCRaCY iS iN dANgeR
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They are barely able to handle the fact that we are supposed to be a democracy in the first place.
No. The founding fathers made steps to make sure we were not a democracy as you think of one.
https://fee.org/articles/why-americas-founders-didnt-want-a-democracy/
Honestly it’s bad precedence.
Let him lose the election fairly again.
Let the voters decide.
letting the loser of a free and fair election stoke violence without consequence is bad precedent. enforcing the law is good precedent.
Copied from another comment you didn’t read.
No it’s bad precedent.
Colorado barely had a majority on the decision, three other states ruled differently and Trump hasn’t been convicted of anything yet in Congress or in court.
Do we want the pre-election period filled with both sides trying to disqualify the other side’s nominee just because they have a majority in their state’s Supreme Court?
depends, did the other side’s nominee engage in an insurrection in flagrant violation of the constitution?
Thanks for taking the time to consider what I was saying.
His point was that Trump hasn’t been convicted yet. Even though he obviously invited an insurrection, legally he hasn’t until he’s convicted.
If we set this precedent pretty soon Republicans will be flooding Democrats with bullshit “insurrection” allegations to get them off of ballots. If they have enough control in their state’s supreme Court they might even succeed.
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Republicans are already talking about it.
It’ll turn into the impeachment fiasco where they try to impeach every president.
Also every time the democrats do stupid shit. Trump becomes more popular
I think it is more that Biden temporarily loses support and Trump stays the exact same.
He doesn’t gain support.
Republicans need to start talking about policy and how they will govern but that’s typically where they fall apart.
That is the big flaw of the Republican Party right now. Their policy is stop the democrats. That’s a stupid policy.
I want to see each party create a policy then meet In the middle. I fully support abortion and it irritates me the republicans for the most part have taken a radical stance on it.
Compromise isn’t weakness. It’s strength.
He had his many days in court, with his own appointed justices, was unable to find any evidence of significant election fraud, and still he chose to lie about it anyways. To this day. He tried to subvert the people’s will himself and refused to exercise a peaceful transfer of power, threatening and manipulating state leadership and his vice president to alter the results.
Just because he was unsuccessful, and he managed to brainwash a large enough group of people with his lies to maybe get elected again and to avoid conviction, doesn’t mean we give him a chance to try again. That is a perfectly fine precedent to set.
That’s not even counting the voter suppression that a state court probably wouldn’t even consider, and his base absolutely refuses to hear. Encouraging voter intimidation, lying about well-established voting methods that are more likely to be used by the other party in some states, priming his base to reject the results with his “its me or its fraud” rhetoric leading up to the election, daring voter fraud within his own party and his followers to turn out and “stop the count” or “count the votes” wherever the results are turning out of his favor. The way I see it this is just beating him at his own game. He already set the precedent, we are mitigating its consequences.
Let the voters decide.
The left has decided after 2016 ‘the voters’ cannot be trusted. So they will rig elections and feel smug about it while committing treason.
Smells like copium for backing the side of the aisle that can’t generate popular/functional ideas for governing.
Not sure why you’re being down voted. That’s a reasonable response.
The reasonable response is to hold politicians accountable.
Democrats care about protecting American democracy so much they’ll use every lie and dirty truck in the book to keep people they don’t like off the ballot
dirty trucks is more a conservative thing
