• TomHardy@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      I mean, you posted provably false bs. How can I not troll? Even the state on Taiwan claims Taiwan is only a region of a country, and not a nation lmao

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        25% of Taiwanese want independence.

        6.8% of Taiwanese want to join China.

        The others want things to stay the same, I.e functionally independent.

        But hey let’s ignore the will of the people and impose imperialist rhetoric on why they don’t deserve self-determination.

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            The 6.8% not wanting to be independent is the telling part.

            Everyone else either wants to openly call themselves independent on carry on as they are in already being functionally independent.

            tl;dr: No one wants to be part of China or not independent.

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              The vast majority of people want things to stay the same. Both independence and reintegration are very small minorities.

              What that tells me is China has a lot of work to do to entice Taiwan. That’s it.

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                It tells me that most people prefer an eternal cold war to escalating to a hot war. If China backed off and made it clear they would not attack, those numbers would change.

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                  China can’t actually do that without Taiwan making a reciprocal agreement to stop engaging in military buildup against China. Peace requires an agreement on both sides. Otherwise, Taiwan could just build up endlessly and then attack China because it left itself vulnerable.

                  Let us imagine China started giving Puerto Rico billions of dollars in military hardware. What do you think America’s response would be?

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                    China threatens to invade daily, so Taiwan should stop preparing to be invaded? No. Fuck off. China needs to knock it off and stop threatening to invade. Full stop.

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                1/4 is not very small.

                Furthermore keeping things the same is to be independent or do you think China currently controls what they do?

                After the disaster of HK, Taiwan is never going to join China.

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                  1 year ago

                  1/4 is pretty small.

                  It’s basically the same as the relationship between the US and Puerto Rico. Lots of autonomy, not independence.

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                    1 year ago

                    Okay, think of it this way.

                    What exactly is the relationship between the two?

                    Do taxpayers of one nation see their taxes spent in the other? No? That’s because Taiwan is not China, and China does not own Taiwan.

                    No laws passed in China have effect in Taiwan, China has zero say in how the country is run, but everyone has to pretend that Taiwan is part of China or else Pooh Bear will throw a bitchy fit and invade.