23andMe just sent out an email trying to trick customers into accepting a TOS change that will prevent you from suing them after they literally lost your genome ro thieves.
Do what it says in the email and email arbitrationoptout@23andme.com that you do not agree with the new terms of service and opt out of arbitration.
If you have an account with them, do this right now.
Here’s an email template for what to write: https://www.patreon.com/posts/94164861
“But they clicked the imaginary button, your Honor. How can they still have rights ?”
This just blows my fucking mind. Same thing happened with Crunchyroll, apparently I could have been part of a class action lawsuit when it was found out that they were selling users data. But I didn’t hear about it, didn’t get any letters and didn’t see the email. The date came and went. Because I didn’t “take action” in time I apparently forfeit my right to my piece of the settlement AND to sue.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT LEGAL. How can you make the least amount of effort to notify someone after illegally fucking up their life, then when they don’t respond (because they didn’t see the notification or whatever), say, “well legally that means they’re ok with it, and can’t do anything in the future”
What the fuck
It depends, it may not be. TOS are not as ironclad as they appear.
Send their legal team an email telling them you’re going to update the terms unless you hear from them.
Also, send a bunch of irrelevant shit about what your doing and thinking about and video games you’re playing first, they’ll probably block your email address and then wont see the legally important email.
The class actions I’ve been part of have said that if I want to retain the right to sue then I have to opt out of the class action. I don’t think it’s possible to be force-opted in, and in that case you should retain the ability to sue.
I’ve only been in 3 or 4 though, so I don’t know if that’s representative of all class actions.
Right, but you have to be in the class to do that. If they didn’t notify you because they don’t think you were in the class, then that shouldn’t reduce you legal options. And if they do think you’re in the class and don’t notify you or send you the settlement, that’s just straight malicious.
Damn I forgot about that Crunchyroll class action. Thanks for reminding me. I got those emails too but I have until the 12th. It’s only $30 but that’s like two Five Guys meals so…
Technically a contract can have anything in it that both parties agree to, unless some are all of those provisions are actively illegal. I would agree that assumed agreement should be illegal. You could probably fight this in court, make the argument that this is a material change to the contract what you did not agree to and would not have agreed to had you been aware of it. But that costs money and lawyers and time.
This feels like the weirdo that Muta covered who was sending out legal notices telling people that if they didn’t take action, he would consider them to be entered into contracts that he wrote.
If anyone wants my genetic information just come to my door and I’ll supply it to you directly 😏
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Saw this in my inbox and totally thought it was for this comment lol
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some more reddit level engagement for you ;)
“They lost my genome” is certainly a 2023 phrase.
It’s only useful to US assurance companies.
Isn’t this illegal?
Of course, and in some places a TOS isn’t even legally binding.
No, but that doesn’t mean it’s legally enforceable.
You can’t sign away negligence in a contract.
Yes but they’ll just outspend the average person in court. It’s a fucked design
I had them destroy my sample and delete my data the week they went public, so I’m glad we’ve finally reached the “I told you so” phase of this.
How can you be sure they did what you requested? How can you verify?
If I was that guy I would dig for the leak and search through it. If I would find even a shred of my data, that’s a lawsuit.
yeah, and I assume only the pool of people who has requested deletion of their data is in a position to do this. @Artyom you should consider doing this.
The real question is why would you put your genome into the hands of a company without a compelling reason beyond “This sounds cool”
A lot of people didn’t, but their relatives did and now theyre implicated.
If my uncle did this, how would they get my information and genome over him? I read the Wikipedia article but still don’t understand how this works.
Because 25% of your uncles DNA is the same as yours.
Okay, but they don’t know which part and the don’t even know I exist if my uncle isn’t telling them?
They don’t, but other companies like insurance might know. And they are the ones who’s buying. They use multiple sources of data. And then they put 2 and 2 together.
Even though it’s 25%, they will still calculate it as a risk.
Thanks for putting it together, now I understand the reasoning.
I’ll have to get the name of the specific murder porn show from my wife, but there’s one where they go into detail about how they find a suspect with DNA by finding people with a close enough match to narrow down the family tree and get super close to the actual person, if not the exact person.
So I can prove that I’m 3% black and get my word pass. /s
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/s and still at -6. Wow, Lemmy. I’m hoping the joke just went overhead.
Apparently my comment making fun of white supremacists wasn’t taken well by the mods.
Either it went over people’s heads or hit too close to home. I dunno.
Maybe the joke just wasn’t funny
What joke? Jokes are supposed to at least try to be funny.
It was just another cynical explanation for the type of person to get a vanity dna test. Do people not realize that racial supremacists are getting these test and bragging if they like the results?
It being cool is a compelling reason.
How else are you going to get it?
“I use discord cos It is so cool”…
Nobody’s genome was lost. What happened was, users with weak passwords had their accounts compromised, something like less than 2,000 of them, and from those accounts, bad actors were able to access and download family tree data for something like 6.5 million accounts.
I don’t really see how the data lost is actionable in any way except for the spoofed “Hey gramma! It’s me! I’m in jail and I need bail money!” phone calls.
From what I understand - the first action the bad actors are taking are releasing the family trees to “out” anyone with Jewish relatives.
So, just hate crimes to start.
One of the typical arguments is selling ancestry history to insurance companies, effectively handing them health data which could lead to up-pricing or rejections for customers with bad health history.
That’s 23andMe’s end game anyways
That is a whole different can of worms and should be illegal as well
But at least the second one isn’t allowed anymore. I’m not sure if the ACA addresses the first point.
Yes, and if my genome was stolen I’d probably be dead.
There needs to be a c/Literally lol
If you build it, maybe they’ll come.
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I already came. And I will certainly come again!
We can rebuild you. We have the technology.
I don’t really see how the data lost is actionable in any way
Agreed unfortunately. An important thing in US law that people often don’t know is that in most cases, you need to prove that you were damaged in some way. Unless the company broke a specific law, you probably just have to accept it until you have problems relating to identity theft. And even when that happens, you’d still need to prove that the the attacker used the lost 23andMe data.
I personally don’t understand why people use these services in the first place. Let’s all let some private company that we know nothing about build an absolutely massive database of people’s DNA. And let’s voluntarily do it and even pay them for that “service”. Sure, that sounds like a good idea. What could possibly go wrong? Hope your minor curiosity was worth the massive privacy invasion.
I personally don’t understand why people use these services in the first place.
In my case, I went through 23 and Me because 75% of my DNA comes from sources unknown. No idea who my father was or my maternal grandfather. So being able to fill in those gaps as well as helping to determine medical risk has been very useful.
helping to determine medical risk has been very useful.
Thank to the American healthcare system’s lobbyists, if a company sequences your DNA, they can’t give you information related to health.
Which is why 23andme has a fraction of the stuff they used to.
I paid $5 to a third party to take my raw 23andme data and output a very nice html file (not online, in a zip file) that checks against common mutations for all types of shit. Not sure if they’re still around, but they automatically delete your data once the HTML is sent out, if I want it again I don’t have to pay again, but I do have to send them the raw data because they don’t have it anymore.
Because they didn’t sequence it, they can give me all the information without having to be a “healthcare provider” like 23andme would need to be to tell me the same info
Building a massive collection of DNA is a really good thing from a research standpoint. Plus, it’s helping solve a bunch of murder cold cases.
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What does this even mean?
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I guess what I meant:
- What exactly are “Zionist war participants?”
- Who is trying to profile these people?
- How does this establish “racial segregation?”
I’m not trying to be annoying. I genuinely believe you are trying to say something important but I just don’t understand what you mean.
They didn’t lose it, they know exactly where it went
Piracy is theft in the eyes of the law. So because the hackers copied it, your data was lost and you should be compensated for the loss.
So, our main interactions happened in the past, your fault and abuse of me happened in the past, and now, in the present, you can slip a little “go out of your way or the legal terms governing our interactions in the past will be altered” clause in an email, and it’s all legal?
(Hold on, let me try applying a rule of thumb that helps me answer legal questions like this: Would this help the rich and powerful maintain riches and power?… Yes. I think the answer to my question above is yes.)
I’d argue the the interactions and faults of the past should be governed by the agreement we had in the past.
Did they lose anyone’s genome? That’s not what’s been reported. They certainly lost customer information and this is definitely a super shitty move to trick you into waiving some rights, but I’ve seen no reporting that says they lost full DNA information.
They have disabled the download data button and refuse to provide customers with a copy of their own data. I have been trying to get a copy of my data for over a month and they just tell me they’ll consider re-enabling the button in the future.
I would bet money (not much, relax) that they got their shit hacked and locked down by ransomware at least, if not also extracted for sale by the same black hat.
I was under the impression that it was compromised logins of users that were used to get into accounts, afaik they weren’t actually hacked.
Our two scenarios aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive, but yours is much more plausible.
That and they link all the genealogy data so the “hackers” got some info on a bunch of people they didn’t hack.
Probably not as much info as you can scrape from Facebook about any one of them, but some.
Facebook’s intranet servers maybe
Wow, that’s dirty. The email you need to opt out at is different from what they link. If you don’t respond, you automatically agree to their new TOS which bars you from taking class action against them. Shady af.
bruh
Then it should have been upvoted for reality.
Ok but is fuchs a real last name lol
It’s literally just “Fox” in German.
Yes. My mother had a teacher named Mrs. Fuchs. And she told me, “you can guess what we all called her.” And that was in the 1950s!
I don’t see how an email that has no proof of delivery (could have ended in spam for example) would be legally binding.
Accepting a ToS update simply by virtue of no action is also questionable unless provisions permitting that were in the ToS you’ve accepted and even then it would not work in the European Union, because that’s listed in the forbidden clauses registry.
