Thierry Henry, Clint Dempsey and Charlie Davies discussing perception of American players in Europe
Read that a few years ago. Now, I’ve only been following football since '07 which is around the time time Dempsey made his move to Fulham. He was a thrill to watch and I’d reckon he def helped change some opinions around US players at the time with the likes of Pulisic or McKennie continuing to this day.
But just curious for a discussion, how prevalent are the stereotypes of US players today? Is it simply just banter or are there still managers who just don’t rate US players all that much.
When I was a kid in middle america in the 80s, the lack of american involvement had nothing to do with Europe. Americans hated the game. I remember the adults always telling me it isnt a sport. and its so boring, and play a real sport. It was also an immigrant sport and this is america. you play an american sport. Heck, there are still multitudes of americans who believe this today. there is just a large enough echo chamber that we dont have to acknowledge it.
I dont blame europeans at all for their “prove it” attitude. we have had generations to embrace the sport. now that it is finally happening, our young people need to realize that this is a calcified problem that we created.
I’m just glad we don’t have the Pulisic nuthuggers polluting our sub anymore
Charlie Davies does not speak for my nation please
I would say not against players. But more so agaisnt commentators, pundits, and supporters/fans. Kind of the ah what does he know, hes american attitude.
Rory Jennings or whatever his name is thinks Pulisic is shit, despite Pulisic pulling chelsea through both legs against real madrid in their UCL winning season…
So id say yea. Or he’s gaslighting.
You dont know where im from dawg
There’s stereotypes in the media for sure. Hard to say if there’s any active stereotypes or prejudice against US players in the management and coaching world since most people are not in it.
However, you have to think that if you’re good enough then you’ll play. Every player, regardless of nationality, has to fight for their place and the US just don’t produce world class players for the very top level.
Ready for downvotes?
Yea we are bad, very bad. We don’t play well together, way to many back passes, horrible in front of goal, don’t put teams to the sword that we should, management and coaching is garbage, BUT we will get good at this sport, very good. Then we will dominate.
Charlie Davies is a bellend
I am a USSF coach- and I can firmly say how surprised I was to see the USSF revamp their youth ways - to emulate Europe.
We no longer focus on “do 29 laps and sprint everywhere”… no more “boot it up field and hope”
It’s “how well can you manage the ball under pressure” … “how well can you as a team technically play”…
There’s a huge change. It’s just began recently and hopefully in years to come it will produce talent.
May I ask how you got started as a USSF coach?
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I don’t think anyone really judges players based on their nationalities any more.
I wouldn’t say much at all tbh. There’s a US International playing for Crystal Palace Today and most probably don’t even know that he is. Pulisic was considered decent when Chelsea signed him. Tyler Adams had interest in the Summer. Dempsey, McBride etc were always considered to be solid Premier League players. Not to mention the amount of quality GK’s we’ve seen.
Was there ever really much noise about players from the US to begin with though? I’d say it’s been more around owners and managers. The media have had digs at the likes of Lerner, Kroenke, Boehly etc and Bob Bradley had a lot surrounding him. The players? Not so much…
Just can’t see them producing a top, top player as other sports are too popular there. Always groan when people say “if they just focused on ___ they’d be the best in the world” when it comes to US, China etc because it’s not that simple
All the infrastructure in the world won’t make kids want to play football, there’s more money in other sports in America and importantly they have no idols like the big footballing countries. Smaller places with less infrastructure like Uruguay will produce more top talents purely because football is part of their history and culture, they have legends to look up to and a reputation too - until US somehow gets that in football they will hit a ceiling no matter how much money they invest imo
I wouldn’t say there is a stereotype about the players at all, apart from not producing as much talent as they probably could. If you’re good enough you’re good enough, the PL has players from all over the world.
About the fans and analysis though…