I am a big fan of Tesla. The cars are amazing. Generally I respect Elon, who has a track record of success. I support unions but I would never join one.
I think this is the best quote from the article.
“I don’t know, maybe they will unionize,” he mused. “If Tesla gets unionized it will be because we deserved it, and because we failed in some way.”
Elon has made many employees rich. If they unionize, they jeopardize the benefits that made them rich. I can’t see the company agreeing to be as generous when dealing with a union.
God damn the brain rot on conservatives these days. I seriously didn’t think any intelligent adult would be anti-union, but I guess that could still be true.
Unions aren’t for everyone, and that’s an important principle that protects the negotiating power of unions.
Unions are weakened if you allow management and professionals to unionize or participate in collective bargaining. Unions should only be for unskilled, low-barrier-to-entry labor sectors. Are Tesla factory workers low-skill? I don’t know enough about how their factories work to say, but the fact that they’re awarding equity to line workers suggests that they don’t see it that way.
I personally support the right for others to unionize but I would never join a union. There is zero benefit for me to join a union.
For the average worker I could see the draw but for me there is zero positives to joining a union.
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I have to ponder why he thinks everyone should be pro-union. In a union I wouldn’t be able to negotiate my wage, my bonus, my vacation or a plethora of other things that I can do now. I would be stuck adhering to union rules and procedures as well.
I get for some people who don’t have real jobs skills, a union would sound attractive but for someone with a high-demand skill set, I see it as limiting.
I have to ponder why he thinks everyone should be pro-union
Simple. They want your negotiating power for themselves.
I admit I am highly educated, trained and good at what I do. If I look at what my coworkers are paid, on average, I make double what they make. Most of my peers are around 180 full packages. I am around 400K full package. WTF would I want to be in a union and make half of what I make? I can also dictate my hours, what I will or won’t do, etc. All things I wouldn’t be able to in a union.
At my last job, I worked from 9-11 and then from 1-4. Those were the hours I was available when i wasn’t traveling. A union would never put up with that crap.
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We reserve the right to make our own judgements.
Yes I know you do, and it’s very clear what side of the scales your thumb is on.
Well yeah, it’s not exactly hidden. I put it in the community name even. I’m honestly confused, did you think I was pretending to be a lefty or something?
I responded to you elsewhere, I think that makes it clear what my issue is. I hope it helps.
Is this a conservative forum? I would have never got that from the title or sidebar.
stop being a smart arse
Oh boy the lack of self awareness is astounding
Hows the view from the peanut gallery buddy?
Grow a fucking personality outside of spamming this for fuck sake
No,…no,…unions are Marxist. Employers have the right to fire anyone who tried to unionize. Unions need to be outlawed.
On the other size, employers need to show a lot more hospitality and generosity to the people that made the company successful. There’s a balance of don’t push an employee for every minute of work on the clock, but also if an employee can not maintain integrity of work required, or simply oesn’t feel like working at the moment during their shift, the company needs to be free to fire them.
Employees must stop demanding so much because they don’t pay for all the blot of expenses a company must pay out before starting on salaries, and empoyers must do more to help employees develop more skills for higher levels of success since successful employees who are well supported will only expand the company further.
Unions predate Marxism.
The second paragraph I agree with. There needs to be a balance from both sides. I don’t work for Tesla, but I have friends who became rich working for Tesla. They did say the problem is you are pushed hard, you are working on interesting stuff, but the stress is unreal. My friend worked there for 5 years and walked away with about 5 million dollars. As such you can say he was rewarded well for his time. THe problem is after 5 years he just couldn’t do it anymore.
Employers have the right to fire anyone who tried to unionize
No they don’t, not since 1935. This is easy information to not get wrong.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2023/10/23/union-deterrence-and-recent-nlrb-action/
https://www.nlrb.gov/guidance/key-reference-materials/national-labor-relations-act
Just because the government infringes on a right it doesn’t mean it isn’t a right.
Just because you call something a right doesn’t make it a right either. It’s a legal protection so either agitate against it or stop fucking whining.
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Good to know you don’t consider free association to be a right.
It’s not about what I consider, it’s about what you want to posture about versus what you actually do. Stop your goddamn whining, if you have a problem, do something about it. Don’t complain to me, I’m not your mom.
I bet you won’t. Talk is easy, and repealing 100 year old laws that every sane person agrees with is hard, and I doubt you have either the gumption or the intelligence to even begin to try :D
Fucking prove me wrong.
I’m not whining. Funny, coming from the guy who thew a tantrum over having to follow the rules.
Unions need to be outlawed.
Management collectively bargains; why shouldn’t labor be able to?
Something should countervail the power of the corporate organization; that’s a labor union.
https://www.epi.org/publication/briefingpapers_bp143/
https://economics.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/38/2021/07/Union-spillovers-GSS.pdf
Here’s some reading for ya on why unions are beneficial for every sector (including nonunion).
