Wanna get even angrier? Since the cease fire was agreed, Israel released 150 Palestinian people. In that time, they have also made 133 new arrests of Palestinians for the crime of…celebrating the release of Palestinians.
If this were done by a movie villain, people would criticize it for being too cartoonishly evil and unrealistic.
Imma need a hardcore source for this. Not because I doubt it, but because I’d like to include it in an essay
Aljazeera is the first thing to pop up. You can likely use it as a jumping off point.
It’s the ‘arrested for celebrating’ part that we want a source for and I didn’t see any in this article about it. Just seems very odd Israel would admit such a thing, so if they did I want a solid source to share with others.
You could literally use google and find lots of stories talking about it. Here is a snippet from just one.
THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT narrative surrounding the Palestinian prisoners being released during this temporary ceasefire is both insidious and dishonest. Interior Minister Itamar Ben Gvir has banned Palestinians from celebrating their release. “My instructions are clear: there are to be no expressions of joy,” he said. “Expressions of joy are equivalent to backing terrorism, victory celebrations give backing to those human scum, for those Nazis.” He told Israeli police to deploy an “iron fist” to enforce his edict. https://theintercept.com/2023/11/26/palestine-israel-prisoners/
That is pretty fuckin clear.
My instructions are clear: there are to be no expressions of joy,” he said. “Expressions of joy are equivalent to backing terrorism"
Wow. That is cartoonishly dystopian.
Totally not channeling his inner Nazi… Yet there are still shitbags here twisting themselves in knots to defend everything Israel does.
Thank you!
Ben Gvir is a special kind of evil, but unfortunately not so uncommon in the Israeli government.
Al Jazeera is heavily biased towards Arabs. They mix lies with truths very well, creating a propagandistic media. I advise fact-checking everything that Al Jazeera says and not considering them a trustworthy source. They have zero credibility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism
It was the first link in a search on Google. Calm your tits.
“this source is untrustworthy”
“WOAH CALM THE FUCK DOWN JESUS CHRIST WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU”
No, they’re saying that’s a dumb response because it’s backed by multiple outlets. Sure one way be biased so… Do your own research. Or complain that it wasn’t handed to you tied up with a bow.
That’s great but when they’re being calm and you’re being dramatic, maybe have a moment of self reflection before the pot tries to call the kettle black
Comedy gold. /S
You repeated propaganda from state run media. Get over yourself and your bruised ego.
Hey look!
It’s one of the shitbags I was mentioning in another comment!Just like clockwork to goosestep along with Ben Gvir.
Lol, you’re on one for sure. I had to lookup that name. He seems likes a nut just like Netanyahu.
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And yet some are still defending it. The propaganda is strong.
What makes any news showing Israel in a positive light propaganda and any news showing hamas in a positive light credible? Each side is saying the exact same thing about each other yet you chose to believe only one side as believable.
What a simplistic interpretation of reporting during war times. Reductively representing all Palestinians as Hamas is willfully ignorant. The vast majority of people here are for the people under siege.
If you support people under siege, that would include Israel.
You don’t know what the word siege means.
They give sources and show evidence. That makes them credible.
Also Aljazeera shows first hand accounts of Palestinian hostages telling their stories of torture in Israeli prison while all the israeli side gives us is “a hostages aunt said this definitely happened” while prohibiting the israeli hostages to speak to the media.
Just because israel lies about everything you can’t go “well then surely the other side does too”.
Yeah but that’s not what happens. So why do you believe that?
Show me where that didn’t happen.
Only one side can end this simply by going home. Hamas and Hezbollah have both publicly stated their only demand to end hostilities is that Israel stops it’s occupation.
So then why did they attack first? What occupation? Living in your own country isn’t occupation.
Sorry but no. The rest of the world agreed that conquering land and calling it your own went out of style in May of 1945. You don’t get to put your own pictures on the wall and pretend you didn’t steal the house.
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they only influence the elections in Israel, mainly because that is where they are a political block
I wouldn’t be sure of that. Nor would I have any truck with the old puppet-master/squid trope. A lot of countries will budget for influencing various political spheres beyond their borders. Israel shouldn’t get singled out for special criticism in that particular field. Not because what they have been caught doing isn’t reprehensible but because that field of manure is busy with as bad or worse actors such as Russia, China, or the cough USA cough.
I didn’t but I guess thanks for keeping me informed. Also distracts me from my problems which are minor in comparison.
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I hate how people treat genocide and other crimes against humanity as a reason to take teams and treat it like “you’re either with team a or team b”.
Any comment here criticizing one thing is taken as approval of “the other team” and I personally find that horrendous.
In America, we citizens haven’t had any significant question where we were presented with more than 2 options as long as i can remember.
Manufactured consent.
Protesting and organizing movement outside the system is the only way the ruling class can be made to do something.
What a load of bs.
Exactly. Folks just prefer extremes, As if they enjoy to keep conflic going.
YES! It’s so frustrating! I’ve never seen any other Topic like that.
Politics? Sports? Religion? Tribalism is pretty much everywhere, probably part of our ancestral hard wiring and DNA.
Are you being sarcastic?
You’re intentionally obfuscating the reality. No one is actively taking sides with Hamas. People are simply voicing support for all of the children murdered by the IDF, which pales in comparison to any of the violence that Hamas has inflicted on Israel.
No I agree with them. Demanding a public release of actual evidence to justify bombing hospitals has gotten me called a terrorist more times than I care to count.
I bet you feel enlightened with your centrist take.
I don’t know if you realise but people can acknowledge that Hamas did bad things to civilians as well as Israel. The difference is some people can also acknowledge that the only reason Hamas exists is because Israel is a settler colonial state. Without Israel’s crimes against humanity, there would be no need for Hamas to exist. People also have the ability to recognise the western media’s attempt to falsely equivocate “both sides” when one is a genocidal attempt at an ethnostate backed by the most powerful nation the world has ever seen (and friends) and the other is a reaction to this.
“For forty years you try to strangle us. And then you criticize us for the way we breathe” ~ Fidel Castro.
Enlightened? Because I said I hate that people are using genocide as an excuse to take one of two sides? The situation isn’t even encompassed in two sides, the country, the government and the people (and in the case of Palestine, also Hamas) are being treated as one monolithic beings with one agreeing mind each when they are not.
I’m sorry if your “if you’re not with me, you’re against me, here’s a quote from a historical figure” routine didn’t pressure me into trivializing crimes against humanity.
Edit: I’d like to point out how I’ve been called centrist for acknowledging there aren’t two sides and this isn’t a sport event deserving of fans.
Who is supporting Hamas? People have to be supporting Hamas for your original comment to be valid. The vast majority of people are clamoring for ceasefires and humanitarian pauses so that the Palestinian children can stop being murdered.
It’s conversations like this that confuse me because who exactly is commiting genocide? I’m calling the take centrist because you’re making out as if both sides are guilty of genocide when it literally is only one side (the government of Israel, the organisation that the original post refers to). It is a false equivalence. But if you think by me stating support for the liberation of indigenous Palestinians is making it a team sport where I’m somehow trivializing genocide then so be it, that’s what you think.
Hamas’s goal is the destruction of Israel through terrorism. The only thing keeping them from committing genocide (as Israel is capable of) is not having the resources to do so. Both sides want to eradicate the other, but one side is much more capable of doing so. That doesn’t mean that Hamas is somehow less bad.
No one is supporting Hamas.
No one should be supporting Israel’s goverment, either.
Hamas’s goal is to end the oppression and occupation of the Palestinians. There is nothing genocidal about this.
There are Christians living in Gaza and Hamas isn’t committing some crazy religious cleansing on them either. Their problem is with Zionist oppression.
Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.
Resisting an oppressive fascist ethno-state trying to colonize your land and murder your population is the opposite of genocide.
What you’re saying is like saying Ukrainians fighting against Russia for their freedom is Genocide.
If a 16th century Native American wanted to destroy the government of the United States of America, would you say they were wrong?
Hamas’ blatant anti-semitism towards all ethnic jews is wrong. Hamas’ desire for Israel to not be a nation anymore is justified.
If a 16th century Native American wanted to destroy the government of the United States of America, would you say they were wrong?
Depends if they attack the government or civilians. Palestine has a right to defend itself, the hamas strategy is not exercising that right just like the idf isn’t exercising their right to defend and instead are committing genocide. That’s the point. Hamas would have my full sympathy and support if their strategy wasn’t terrorism.
I don’t support Hamas just like you don’t. I don’t support the death of civilians, Israeli or Palestinian. What I have a problem with in the general sentiment of this thread is people acting as if the Israeli government’s actions are not the cause of this war. Hamas would not exist if the Israeli government never oppressed Palestinian people first. The PLO wouldn’t exist if the Israeli government didn’t oppress Palestinian people first. Hamas killing innocent civilians wouldn’t have happened if the Israeli govrnement never tried to genocide Palestinians. You can argue that Hamas would commit genocide if they could, but the fact is Israel is the one commiting genocide at the moment. Making out as if both need equal condemning (although they need condemning nonetheless) is equivalent to giving a bully the same punishment as the victim who fights back. They are simply not the same.
Fuck Hamas and fuck Israel. But especially fuck Israel.
I’m confused at your tone. it seems like there’s more fundamental agreeing here than disagreeing. yes, one side has more power and has recklessly abused that power. but they both want to destroy each other’s people, including innocent civilians. that’s objectively terrible and is why there is no good side to take.
If conversations like this confuse you, why confidently share your opinions in a public forum on a subject that, by your own admission, confuse you?
The definition of a centrist is completely lost on you if you think the comment you’re replying to is a centrist comment.
It’s literally both sidesing the issue by saying that both sides are equally to blame. The comment intentionally creates a lack of nuance by making it seem like this internet firestorm are Hamas vs IDF supporters.
It literally doesn’t say both sides are equally to blame, you inferred that.
You’re framing Hamas as being merely a reaction to Israel’s aggression, when they actively work, sometimes in collaboration with Netanyahu1, to maintain the status quo and insure they’re own relevance and power. You’re right that Hamas wouldn’t have a purpose without the occupation, and Hamas knows it.
Hamas isn’t a path to Palestinian freedom, they’re an obstacle to it. Hamas are motherfuckers; don’t defend them.
If we say Israel is responsible for the destruction wrought on her own people in reaction to her crimes, then we must hold Hamas to that standard too. But following logic like this makes everybody and nobody responsible and implies that Israel controls the terrorists and Hamas runs the IDF. It’s also precisely the Justification Netanyahu uses for the bombing.
At the end of the day, Israel is the party with the power to stop this cycle, and that is where I think we should put our attention.
Hamas was literally formed as a reaction to Israeli war crimes against Palestinians in the 1980’s.
And of the two they’re the one that publicly showed a moderating trend, only to have their attempts rebuffed in the mid 2000’s.
They aren’t nice people but understanding how they got where they are clearly tells us to stop supporting Israel.
Thanks for the info I wanted to access the article but it’s blocked by a paywall/ email submission to view which I’m not too keen on doing. I know Israel had funded Hamas to maintain its own status quo many years ago but wasn’t privy to the possibility it may still be happening. Was wondering if you had any other sources on this?
non paywall link : https://archive.ph/IBRw5
There’s literally no disagreement between you two. You’re saying the same as them, but adding a historical context of how we got here. That really doesn’t change condemnation of both nor finding the team sports here disgusting.
They rounded up another 150 as they released those 150.
They actually have about 7,000 people in “administrative detention” which means people held without charges.
And remember boys and girls, this is not “hostage taking” because - as the simpleton useful idiots never cease to repeat - “it’s legal”.
(Thinking people might start pondering on which laws in their own supposedly Democratic countries are moral and which are nothing more than the hypocritical abuse of “justice” to cover up abuses of power)
And it’s not even “legal legal” either, it’s legal as in “Israel has control of the area because they won’t let the Palestinian Authority rule it on their own, thus they interpret legality as they see fit while outside of the Israeli legal code” legal.
It’s a very “special” kind of “legal” which is transnational so it applies outside the borders of the country that has made that law.
To be more clear. It’s a law made by Israel and enforced in Palestine.
Which is a war crime anywhere else in the world.
Echoes from ghost of the Hague: I was only following orders.
WE will never forget. WE won’t allow Israel to forget either.
It’s pretty easy. They basically keep them in cages.
Israel became worse than Hamas. I’m not saying Hamas are the good guys, both sides have killed civilians.
Yes. Israel had been sniping and bombing civilians alike all this time but no one batted an eye. But when Hamas conducted their own terrorist acts everyone lost their minds!
These were on two very different scales
Yes, that’s the point. Israel is committing much greater atrocities at a much more frequent rate over a much longer period of time.
Perfect clapback
Israel became worse than Hamas.
Have been since 1949. You know… long before Hamas even existed?
It’s a settler colonial ethnostate lol. It’s always been fundamentally fascist from the beginning.
And getting Jews out of Europe is doing exactly what the Nazis wanted.
The Imperialist countries, specially the US, have learnt nothing from history. They’re literally funding a fascist genocide.
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You see, that’s because Israel didn’t kill the women and children…
I guess not all of them… Kudos?
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Hey I just convicted you of harming public order. Get in prison.
What’s that? You didn’t do anything? Oh no that doesn’t matter, you were convicted by an illegal military court.
What a disingenuous piece of quote sniping. Scroll down a little bit and you see this:
Around 8,300 Palestinian prisoners are currently held in Israeli jails, said Qadura Fares, head of the Palestinian Commission for Detainees and Ex-Prisoners’ Affairs.
More than 3,000 of them are being held in what Israel calls “administrative detention,” Fares told CNN, adding that this means they are being held without knowing the charges against them, and without an ongoing legal process.
And you go to that extremely left publication, NBC, and you see this:
Roughly 80% of those on the list were not convicted of any crimes. They were either charged with crimes that had not yet been prosecuted, or were detained under a practice known as administrative detention, whereby Israel holds Palestinians in the occupied territories with no formal charges or evidence presented against them.
Honestly, what was the point of posting this?
u guys are by far the most racist uninformed bunch on lemmy, for a moment I thought I’m in qanon meeting. oh I’m in political memes? that explains it
That’s just lemmy at this point. The conflict really helped show that it’s not only the extreme lemmys that are like this, but the most federated ones as well.
It’s not just Lemmy. Israel’s lies and threats are no longer working offline, too.
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I’ve noticed lots more people realizing that the cries of “anti-Semitism” are just bad faith efforts to derail criticism of the State of Israel’s actions, and noticing the efforts to manufacture a pro-Israel consensus by trying to cancel, threaten, and intimidate people (especially university students) who speak up on behalf of Palestine.
But, anyway, I wrote to my Congressman about the genocide in Gaza, and the mass-mailed response I got back indicates that he’s concerned about it, and has heard a lot of the same concern from constituents. The level of criticism of the State of Israel in his message would have been unthinkable 10 years ago. It’s not just Lemmy, and it’s not confined to echo chambers.
Nah I didn’t spend years studying middle east politics for nothing. Hell I hate terrorists. I’ve seen how they can poison a society, in person. But I also have a very strong opinion on people commiting war crimes. The objective evidence, which includes testimony of IDF veterans, supports the claims of Palestinians.
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Man the fact that yall don’t even TRY to make a lick of sense anymore is the real telling part of all this.
Maybe you shouldn’t train your kids to stab people and they won’t end up in jail.
My Mom taught me that one. Never forgot it either.
My mom taught me to not kick millions of people out of their homes, start and apartheid state, arrest any dissenters, commit numerous war crimes, and then drop over 6,000 bombs on millions of innocent people in two months time. Not sure why she taught me that.
You’re aware that a greater number of Jews were dispelled from their homes than Arabs in the 40s, Right? You want the right to return, then give those people back their homes too.
You’re aware that Arab Israelis sit in political office, serve in the IDF right? Hardly sn apartheid situation there. How many Arabs have given up their citizenship? Seems like if they weren’t being treated properly, you’d hear about it wouldn’t you? I’m seeing plenty of support for Israel including Arabs willingly rejoining their idf units.
You’re aware that Palestinians have fired more rockets into Israel since 10/7 than the other way around right?
Your Mom probably needs to get off tik tok and go learn some facts.
You’re aware that a greater number of Jews were dispelled from their homes than Arabs in the 40s, Right? You want the right to return, then give those people back their homes too.
Well I don’t want the right to return, my direct ancestors are not from the middle east. But I’m happy to support any Jewish homes be returned to them. But they wouldn’t be returning to Israel, since the majority of people living there in the 1940s we’re Muslim (Wiki, Demographic history of Palestine) so you must be just saying in general, globally, more Jewish people were displaced. Maybe?? But that seems like a false equivalence to me.
You’re aware that Arab Israelis sit in political office, serve in the IDF right? Hardly sn apartheid situation there. How many Arabs have given up their citizenship? Seems like if they weren’t being treated properly, you’d hear about it wouldn’t you? I’m seeing plenty of support for Israel including Arabs willingly rejoining their idf units.
You must not be listening if you haven’t heard about poor treatment (CNN, The war has forced Israel’s Arab citizens to explain that no, they are not Hamas) Here’s an excerpt if you don’t want to click; “Some speak fluent Hebrew and live in mixed communities such as Haifa, while others reside in segregated towns and say they feel like second-class citizens due to discrimination from Israeli authorities.” Oh, here’s another fun excerpt; “His ancestors were evacuated from Iqrit, a village north of Haifa, by Israeli forces during the 1948 war. They were told they would be able to come back in a few weeks, but ultimately were not allowed to, Ashkar said. Israel’s Supreme Court later ruled the eviction was illegal and said the families of Igrit should be allowed to return to their land – but before they were able to do so, the IDF razed the village to the ground in the 1950s. ‘It’s complicated when you are not sure where you belong. I try to avoid thinking about it too much,’ Ashkar said.”
You’re aware that Palestinians have fired more rockets into Israel since 10/7 than the other way around right?
That’s likely true, however a bit misleading. Israel dropped two 2,000 ton bombs creating a 40 foot crater if that gives you any idea of the level of destruction they’re causing daily. Meanwhile, Hamas is using homemade rockets made of old water pipes which rarely get through Israel’s defenses. But sure, both sides are bad here, and I stand by my original statement criticizing Israel.
Your Mom probably needs to get off tik tok and go learn some facts.
My mom doesn’t watch tiktok, she’s getting her misinformation from Facebook. But I agree she needs to listen to me more haha
Teach your kids to roll over and fellate colonial invaders, got it
Israel is the greatest decolonization effort the world has ever seen. Prior to them returning home, the Palestinians never controlled that territory. The British, the Ottomans were the colonizers, Israel is now rightfully inhabited by the children of Judah.
You must know how ridiculous you sound, right?
Are you trying to state that the region was not a British colony and an Ottoman one prior to that?
Or are you trying to state that Jews aren’t indigenous to Judea?
Jews are 2000 years removed from any connection to Palestine. The Zionist movement didn’t even originally want Palestine. They were looking to settle in Africa. And the issue is not whether they have ancestral ties to Palestine, but that they have settled and displaced, and actively continue to do so, the current population indigenous to the region with generations of continuous residence going back to that very same time 2000 years ago
Are you trying to state that the region was not a British colony and an Ottoman one prior to that?
I’m not sure why you think Palestine being under the control of various imperial powers means the people don’t exist. This is like saying there is no Scotland because it is under the control of the British empire
Are you trying to say Jews haven’t remained in the area, along with the surrounding area of ancient Israel? Cuz that’s not even remotely true as evidenced by the raft of countries in the region that exiled them. Jordan, Iraq, Syria. They’ve been there the whole time.
I’m not saying the people don’t exist. they’ve been murdering Jews the whole time, they’re there. They passed on the opportunity to have a country, they preferred trying to commit genocide instead. The deal they were initially offered was far more generous to the Arabs than the Jews too… choosing and losing war has consequences. Seems like they sadly still haven’t learned either, starting this war.
They’ve returned home. They’re not leaving again. If you are going to use the standard Antisemitic claim israelis are from Poland or Brooklyn, check out the census data first.
So teenagers slingshoting stones at poliecmen heads or throwing 10 pound cinder blocks at cars windshield get slaps on the wrist in your countries?
No, but we also don’t bulldoze random houses in foreign territory and send our own settlers there to harass the locals until their children are radicalised.
Well…
Not anymore. Most of the time.
Actually we still do tbh, but there’s just so few of them left now the majority just don’t give a fuck.
I had a really good laugh when everyone had to confront the fact that half of Oklahoma is supposed to be owned by Native Americans. And for a second it looked like SCOTUS was going to enforce that treaty.
AFAIK the thousands being held are being held by “administrative detention” which inherently does not have or require charges to be made.
But not necessarily meaning no crime was committed. Downvote my critical thinking please
If they had any evidence of a crime then they would have been charged with a crime, imprisoning a criminal civilian simply because the law enforcers are lazy or too busy is just as bad as imprisoning innocents, there is no need for distinction.
I’m not sure but I think the reason is because they are under a foreign government (Hamas) and have a different legal system. Israel as far as I can tell are acting to protect their citizens by arresting perpetrators but then being unable to process them through their legal system. I can see this could be abused but I don’t believe it would be in every case
No they have no problem putting Palestinians through their justice system. They just use military courts with a 99% conviction rate instead.
That does sound shit, it’s impossible for know but I would like to know the true number of guilty out of that 99%
I guess innocent until proven guilty isn’t an Israeli concept?
Well yes but under those circumstances it would be technically impossible for a Palestinian to commit a crime, and I know most people here think all Palestinians are saints it’s simply not true no matter how much you want to ignore the honour killings, throwing gays off buildings and treating woman like second class citizens. Also for the record the Israelis have done some shit too. Just like people in every country
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Thanks sparlock. Enjoy your day
There’s a critical something there but not thinking.
I can assure you I’m critical of both sides. I just have a problem with all this one sidedness in a conflict where both appear to have done wrong. I do appreciate that in something so complex with so much desperation it would be difficult to act every time in the correct way, if there even is one but that shouldn’t absolve either side of any wrong they have committed. Sure it should weigh into it but it’s not straight up justification for the crimes against innocent people on both sides, none of it is.
That’s great, but objective looks into the Israeli justice system aren’t pretty. So trying to give them the benefit of the doubt doesn’t read like your critical of both sides.
I don’t think I’m really giving the benefit of the doubt, I feel like I’m just not giving the Palestinians the benefit of the doubt either. As in when it’s highly likely crimes are being committed because of high tension, it’s reasonable to assume that at least some crimes were committed. Like I said I think anyone who is innocent and treated as guilty is not worth the blanket guilty verdict to ensure those who are guilty are charged. It’s important to have fair trials when the ability exists. I’m simply pointing out that a lot of the Palestinians (we already know there are crimes committed by Israel) are guilty and it’s not fair to their victims to treat them as saints. If that sounds complicated it’s probably because it clearly is.
If you really want a reality check keep in mind if your daughter or you mother walked through Gaza how they walk through the street in your home town, they would likely be spit on and assaulted for dressing provocatively. And if you your son or your brother was gay they may well throw them off a building. If you haven’t factored this into your arguments please do, understand when you are picking a side you are defending not only their right to land (which I believe they should have) but also their way of life and beliefs (which I don’t). And if not agreeing with killing gay people and treating women like property is islamaphobic (I don’t believe it is) I guess I’m islamaphobic.
Oh yes. Totally unbiased. As you roll in a pit of islamophobic propaganda.
Oh, good, sexism with my morning lemmy.
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Maybe a Lemmy bug and he was commenting somewhere else? Because otherwise it makes no sense.
I think judging by the other comments, this zionist shit is trying to argue that saying Palestinian women and children were unjustly locked up is sexist…
* Zionists can be Christian too, just like there are Palestinian Christians, who are in danger of being lost forever, their bloodlines dating back to the time of Christ. It was not an antisemitic comment, but since there are many people who think like the person replying it’s been edited.
You can be for peace in Gaza without using disgusting antisemitic language like "zionist rat.
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Have a downvote for being an idiot.
Of course one can ask if you need to jail teenagers for throwing rocks at police and military. But asking ‘how’ is pretty simple: you can look it up. There are laws and if you violate them, you get jailed.
On the other side: maybe ask Hamas where their victims came from. What did the 23 Thai workers did wrong. Or the 10 Nepaelis.
…or even more depressing: ask them where they are. Rumors go around that Hamas doesn’t know anymore where all hostages are. Since Hamas fighters where allowed to take individual hostages as trophy back home. You can only imagine what they might do to a single, young and beautiful woman whose only crime was to be at the wrong time at the wrong spot.
Israel took more than a thousand detainees without any charges. A lot of them are women and children and they don’t even necessarily come from Gaza.
And you should maybe think a bit less with aesthetics, why wouldn’t the less beautiful women and girls be raped? It seems to me that you unjustly discriminate on who deserves the most pity.
Ones a terrorist organisation and the other is meant to be a national state you fucking idiot.
Fun fact, in 2006 we had a chance to welcome them into legitimate governance and work towards peace with them.
Instead we, the western world, rebuffed every attempt they made at being a legitimate government and backed Israel’s blockade and assassination campaign.
Second fun fact, you can’t bomb an ideology. You can only convince people it’s not right, outdated, or no longer useful. In terrorism this is often done through allowing them to operate as a legitimate political party. It’s a lot harder for them to justify martydom to their rank and file if they have a seat in parliament.
They may be terrorists but we turned them away.
There are laws and if you violate them, you get jailed.
hey, slavery is legal so obey the fucking law and don’t fight for your freedom. after all, you wouldn’t want to be labeled a criminal by slavers, now would you?
That suggests that those jailed have been convicted or even sentenced for crimes. Look up administrative detention.
These are not part of the deal.
So about those laws.
Also wondering which Israeli laws allow for the physical, mental and sexual abuse of children. Perhaps it might be good to change those if they exist.
And since we’re on the topic of laws. Perhaps we should look into Article 2 of the CPPCG, and, if Israel insists these people are prisoners of war, which seems to be the case with the venue of choice being a military court, Article 13 of the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War.
Surely the “only democracy in the Middle East” will adhere to most supreme of all laws?
When you deal with a terrorist organization with no problem decapitating babies or sending bombs on children, then it’s probably a good idea to make detainees prove they don’t have bombs strapped to them…
You can do that with thermal cameras. Bomb vests are super clear on thermal imagery. Have been for 15 years.
The Thai workers were released in the first wave. Don’t conflate that with other stuff.
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You must be on the ground in Israel! Wow. What’s the situation where you are?
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So are terrorists supposed to be only of adult male?
are we suppose to take the label “terrorist” serious when it comes to the israelis? just because israel labels someone a terrorist it doesn’t make it true.
but i know your thought process. it is based on the false premisse that israel is not a terrorist state.
if israel arrests you on the charges of terrorism it doesn’t make you a terrorist. it makes you an enemy to a “terrorist state”. you can use terror and be a terrorist when fighting israel, but just because you get arrested by idf, it doesn’t automatically makes you a terrorist, imho.
So, as soon as someone shows joy that their daughter who was about to be locked away for 10 years for throwing stones at an IDF soldier, they must be a terrorist?
Just how sure are you that they were just throwing stones?
If you define basically everything palestinians do as “terrorism”, you’ll have the prisons filled with “terrorists” in no time.
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That you get down voted for this simple fact is really saying a lot about the Kool-aid consumption of some “Israel critics”.
simple fact
You misspelled sea-lioning.
Lemmy is full of basement dwelling, terrorist loving, jew hating tankies that consider this issue pure black and white with Israel as total evil oppressing “poor” Palestinians since eternity.
The good news is that there’s only 2 thousand or so of them here posting, commenting and agreeing with each other in their echo chamber, while downvoting all disagreeing opinions.
The bad news is it’s making me consider going back to Reddit again… even though I fucking hate Reddit since that API debacle.
Go back to r/europe, or worldnews there. They are super pro Israel. No tankies or khamas there.
Nah, Truth Social would suit them better.
They’re afraid of a simple question.
… Huh? What am I missing where prisoner exchanges aren’t common in combat zones?
Why wouldn’t they be evacuating women and children out of them? Especially in contested areas.
Israel is trying to sell the story that they are victims to Palestinian aggression. The prisoner trade undermines that story because this shows that Israel has a lot of prisoners who are not warfighters. This begs the questions: why is Israel arresting so many civilians, and how are they able to pull that off? The answer is that Israel is the vastly dominant force in this conflict.
Palestinians aren’t evacuating because they have no where to go. Egypt has closed its borders to them, and Israel surrounds them otherwise. Israel has also made evacuations very difficult. There have been reports of Israel giving mere hours notice to evacuate and then attacking early anyway.
Two of those who were formerly detainees, shot and killed someone in Jerusalem yesterday…seems like it might have been a good idea to have them locked up. Brothers as it’s reported.
… Right, they’re not war fighters.
They’re presumably in combat zones though. You can’t just leave women and children there right? They would evacuate them. They then find out they’re Palestinian so they hold them for prisoner exchanges. Am I just missing something about needing to protect them or are you wanting Israel to just leave them be in an active combat zone where they could be attacked or struck with gunfire?
Where exactly are Palestinians supposed to go to not be in a war zone?
I’ll wait for you to realize how boneheaded your argument is if you think it through.
Why are you agreeing with me but pretending like it’s a gotcha?
They’re going to be safer in custody rather than in the middle of a firefight between Hamas and Israel lmfao.
Wow, just wow.
Here is a protip for your life, Don’t worry it’s never too late (even after that last comment) to make a change:
It’s so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don’t say it.
Do you genuinely believe allowing unknown women and children to run around in a fire fight between you and the enemy is okay? You’re saying you’d just leave them there to get shot?
You understand how Hamas works right? You’d prefer Israel put a bullet in them instead?
Not even gonna bother to downvote your comment. It’s too much like punching a puppy.
