Who Makes the Most Reliable New Cars? - Consumer Reports
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To determine who makes the most reliable new cars, Consumer Reports' latest car reliability survey ranks the brands and reveals how regions compare.
  • smokeey@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Why is Audi always higher than VW? Feel like it’s more about brand image than fact. Audi and VW share parts and drivetrain on over half their lineup. (Q3, Q5, A3, A4, A5, Jetta GLI, GTI/R, Tiguan, Atlas, Arteon all share the same engine and several parts). It’s the larger drivetrains on the Audis that have more issues like the new 3.0T destroying engines because of knock and sky high repair prices. I guess the new Jetta/Taos 1.5L has some fueling issues but nothing widespread.

    • UniqueThanks@alien.topOPBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      They’re built better and their owners probably take care of their cars better?

      AudiCare essentially pays for all maintenance for the first 4 years

    • Prior_Mind_4210@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Its not. Consumer reports has issues with self reporting. They rely on paying subscription model and for those limited members to self report.

      A mini has never had a reliable track record and every perosn that owned one before. All have sworn them off.

      • Saskatchewon@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Their current lineup basically shares one engine and transmission in North America. The B38 has been in use in both the current gen Minis along with BMW for nearly a decade now, and it’s proven to be pretty reliable over that stretch. You’ve got a vehicle lineup consisting of only two models that are both nearly 9 years old, sharing the same engine and transmissions that have proven to be reliable over a long period of time now. It shouldn’t be a surprise that they’re high up on the reliability scale at the moment.

        They rely on paying subscription model and for those limited members to self report.

        Yes, and?

        The kind of person who is subscribed to a magazine purely about reviewing the long term reliability of products is exactly the kind of person you want reporting on trouble spots for those products. They’ll be thorough. And according to Consumer Reports, they receive over 300,000 reports from subscribers on cars yearly, which is honestly a pretty solid sample size.

        I owned a 2006 Mini Cooper S, and yes it was a total piece of shit reliability-wise. You want to know which magazine reported that it was a piece of shit? Consumer Reports. Want to know when Mini’s reliability ratings started to consistently reach the top 10 on the chart? 2015. They switched to the B38 in 2014 and haven’t updated it since. It all tracks.

      • Crownlol@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        “All have sworn off them”

        Peak reddit hivemind parroting. Ever owned one? Ever even driven one?

        I’ve owned two, and tracked one. No issues. I’d buy another again

  • The_Crazy_Swede@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Where is suzuki?

    Statistics show that suzuki is cheaper over a 10 year period than Toyota Wich means that they should be at about the same level when it comes to reliability.

    • Drzhivago138@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Suzuki hasn’t sold cars in the US for 10 years…

      Besides that, I don’t follow your logic that a car that’s cheaper to run in a 10-year period means it must also be the most reliable.

  • GrammarLyfe@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Remember for this thread folks: your anecdotal, subjective evidence of an entire brand’s reliability means more than an actual data

    • Larcya@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      The fact KIA is 10th is amazing. It also doesn’t surprise me because anecdotally very few of the people I know who have a KIA have never had any real problems outside of normal wear and tear.

    • Drzhivago138@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      And if your favorite (or least favorite) brand isn’t where you want it to be, it’s ironclad proof that CR is bought off.

      • Blers42@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Mini as high as it is makes me question the report. No idea whether they’re bought off in any fashion but mini has never been reliable. Fun cars to drive but expensive to fix and have a bad track record. The Rivian is dead last, is that just because they haven’t been around long?

        • Rage_Your_Dream@alien.topBEnglish
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          10 months ago

          The Rivian is dead last, is that just because they haven’t been around long?

          New company, low sales, lots of issues as they learn the ropes… Its not surprising, we’ll see if they’re still at the bottom in 10 years.

  • itsokayimhandsome2@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    As a ford fan im not surprised, its like they have been making shit boxes since the 90s. Maybe they thought if they remove all their cars they cant have a bad report?

    • WingerRules@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      My Escape has only 20k miles on it from 1 year of ownership and the batteries only died once, the carpet separating from the floor was easy to fix, the front passenger notices the rattle of something vibrating in the wind on the right side of the car most of the time, and no one sees the little bit of torn super thin fabric on the rear headrest because its on the back side . A++ quality.

    • T-Baaller@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      The meme of the 3-headed dragon, where Lexus/Toyota are serious, and Mini is the goof

      • korky1318@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        There’s tons of mini that are unreliable. Most of those have PSA engines that’s why.

    • Dear_Watson@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Mini uses the really reliable BMW B38/B48 engine now and has largely sorted out all of their longstanding QC issues. Part of that is that the Mini Cooper is a comparatively old and established model in the segment it sits in having not been updated since 2014. There also seems to have been a stronger focus in Mini on quality control recently which is boosting their reliability.

      • I_Am_Very_Busy_7@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        It was a very conscious effort on QC when they switched to the current chassis, after all the problems they had with the R56 era. I worked at a MINI store, and while some of these market segment surveys are BS, it’s quite true that MINI is a very reliable vehicle these days. Unfortunately, a lot of people get scared off by all the outdated information around them.

    • ArcticVulpe@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      lol I was just at a Mini dealership and saw they had this bar graph on display and was like uhhhhh what?

    • reidlos1624@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      They’re engines are now BMW engines iirc. Big improvement over the garbage they used to use.

    • DrakeKNOR@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Lower volume, “enthusiast” cars, that often don’t see use as daily drivers to the same extent as something cheaper.

    • the_lamou@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      You know how German cares are known for precision engineering, but then they make it way more complex than they need to which leads to reliability issues? Well, at this point Mini is what happens when you keep the engineering, but you cut the complexity to hit a price point.

    • The_Lobotomite@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      F56 Mini’s are actually pretty damn solid and thankfully no longer require you to take the fucking subframe and shit out just to change the rearward front LCA bushings like the R53 >:(

    • brotie@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      And Audi 10 places below mini… modern Audis basically all use the same platform and both the 2.0t and 3.0t engines are bulletproof. Then you’ve got VW, which uses all the same shit too like 25 points lower. This doesn’t feel very accurate.

    • Funkytoe@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      As an owner of a 2011 mini cooper S, seeing mini at number 3 blows my mind. This list is either nonsense or Mini has completely changed.

      • I_Am_Very_Busy_7@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        It’s the latter. Your generation was just a badly engineered vehicle, which, no offense meant as I had a 2012 myself.

      • chickwad@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Yeah I had to sell my 2009 Mini S at 70k miles because I was going down the same failures on the forums like a checklist

      • x8a3vier@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        My 2018 cooper is night and day from the 2012 countryman I used to have. The newer engines are quite solid.

        • I_Am_Very_Busy_7@alien.topBEnglish
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          10 months ago

          Same, I had a 2012 and currently a 2018 and the build quality jump is really noticeable, especially the longer I’ve had the ‘18.

      • edgethrasherx@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        No shit, your car is 13 years old and their model lineup has been basically unchanged ever since. Not crazy to think they might have worked out some of the kinks in the intervening decade.

      • tduncs88@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Lol, yeah, everything has been completely redesigned since them. The b48 motor was designed from the ground up by BMW. The N series prince engines were blocks designed by Peugeot, and then done up pretty by bmw. Anything after 16 is gonna have the reliability. 2 door hard tops are reliable back to 2014.

  • dsm582@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Just in my own experiences Nissan and Mazda have been the most unreliable…porsche has been most reliable… ive owned a RAM, Porsche, BMW, Audi, Nissan, mazda, Jeep, infiniti and Acura.