I got downvoted to hell for saying this just before the election. Time will tell.
Was it in .world? .world is full of libs
Yup, it was in !politics@lemmy.world
Yup, those guys are deluded
God the yanks have been so insufferable with their fucking election. Death to America
Note to the ShitLibs: see how it’s not election season anymore and we’re still on the same message?
They can’t see it because they are back in hibernation until the next bi-yearly election ritual. Of course, they don’t have object permanence either so it’ll be like we’re only doing this during their election season.
I’ve been thinking about this, and how we’re described in .world as a seething cauldron of toxicity and hate, makes me think about the parallels between this and how liberals in the past would describe a new socialist country, or an indigenous resistance before that. Just a combination of telephone game, projection/hermeneutics of suspicion, and crucially “I only encounter these people when I am fighting them but I assume that must be their vibe all the time.”
They quite literally dont care. They got their power, now we can fuck off.
OK so I’m very bad at actual politics. Now what do I do? Do I call state reps and tell them I demand prison for the orange pedo and banning of all data centers , and a massive wealth tax, medicare for all? That seems a little on the nose. But its what I actually care about. I don’t feel like they’ll listen to me.
Capitalists and their sycophants don’t listen to the people, because the people do not have leverage individually. Only when we are organized do we have any leverage at all, and when we are organized, we can win it all.
join psl – go to their holiday parties – walk around in circles with others sometimes holding up a sign or pass out leaflets for them every once and a while… that’s literally all you have to do, but you can do more if you feel like it.
avoid dsa, cpusa, or acp for the same reason why you should avoid the democrats.
I’ll look into it
Join the Party For Socialism and Liberation and get organized
Hell yeah! You got your brunchtime back! Why the hell are people complaining about genocide that started escalating under Democrats anyway?? White people have it good again! We’re no longer being targeted by ICE!
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Democrats and Republicans are the same only to the immensely privileged and immensely stupid.
So which of these categories would you say applies to the people of Gaza?
Democrats and Republicans are the same only to the immensely privileged and immensely stupid.
Someone who says that is in fact privileged. ICE received a lot of its power during Obama’s terms. Biden deported more than Trump in his 1st term and the GENOCIDE in Palestine was escalated severely under Biden, who would even bypass congress to force more funding for “Israel”.
And now Democrats are throwing trans people under the bus, being very open about their transphobia and fucking liberals like you act all smug and condescending.
Ask a pregnant woman if both sides are the same. Ask a black person.
“Both sides” is a moronic cliche for high-horse ideologues who only pretend to actually give a shit.
Ask a Palestinian
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Fucking christ you libs are disgusting. Going to keep ignoring how Biden escalated the genocide to extreme degrees? That he bypassed congress to fund even more to “Israel”???
Here’s what Joe Biden thinks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM
He thinks that if there was no “Israel” then they would have to invent one. Really says a lot about you fucking monsters.
Lol, “arms embargo”. And Biden wasn’t pressuring Israel to do shit
The majority of Palestinians who died, died under Biden
Ask a pregnant woman if both sides are the same. Ask a black person.
Ask a woman about Roe v. Wade, it was gone under Biden’s administration. Ask a PoC about police and ICE, they were still being killed for no reason under a Democrat.
Who appointed the judges who overturned Roe?
If both sides are the same, why do you think 93% of black women voted for democrats this last election?
Who appointed the judges who overturned Roe?
Democrats treat people’s lives like a basketball going out of bounds when the other team touched it last
Who appointed the judges who overturned Roe?
Doesn’t matter. Biden literally went past any supposed legal processes to force more funding for “Israel” in their genocidal campaign against Palestinians.
If both sides are the same, why do you think 93% of black women voted for democrats this last election?
93% of black women, how many in actual numbers? 93% of eligible voters still doesn’t talk for the masses.
Many of my comrades are black, and some are pregnant. Don’t pretend you speak for all pregnant people and black people. Both the Democrats and Republicans are incredibly unpopular, the majority of people are disillusioned with the system itself.
I’ll have the 99% of black women in Mississippi who voted for the Democrat on the ballot speak to “both sides same”.
Acting like you care about black women when your racist ass does not care about them because now ICE won’t target white people like yourself. Go back to Reddit.
We don’t yet have data on how many eligable voters voted in 2026, but in 2024 only around 57% of Mississippians voted who could. Midterms nearly always have lower turnout, the percentages were in the mid-30s. You do not speak for all black women, stop acting like you do. Again, both parties are incredibly unpopular. The Democrats do not represent workers. The votes were against the Republicans, not for Democrats, in the majority of cases.
Do you think capitalism is a system that necessarily creates worse conditions over time, or do you believe that this trend can be reversed?
Is this the first time Democrats have had control of the House and Senate for you? We have seen what the Democrats do, which is, in short, not enough at best, and horrendous genocide at worst.
56 is infinitely better than 51, but why wait to be a pessimistic whiner?
It’s still a party dominated by capitalists in a state that can never be reformed into socialism, ever. This is the basic problem, even if the Democrats were hardcore Marxists they still couldn’t implement socialism even if they wanted to. That requires completely replacing the state, which is beyond the ability of those that take office, and requires armed struggle to take the commanding heights of the economy outside the scope of the state.
I’m very optimistic for the future, I just know that the Democrats are not on my side.
I personally root for anyone who measurably improves the lives of hundreds of millions of people, and/or the least evil/most good option.
I think electing progressives will have a more measurable positive impact on the lives of hundreds of millions of real people, compared to imagination. Some pie today is better than pie in the sky, way up high!
This is why I asked you if you think capitalism necessarily makes conditions worse over time, or if that trend can be reversed. In my view, capitalism, even managed by progressives, will continue to result in wealth concentration and increased disparity. Even if progressive social programs are passed, such as an expansion to medicare, capital will continue to concentrate in fewer and fewer hands, and the crisis of profitability will continue to loom for the next inevitable bust. Every bust concentrates capital even more, and casts even more workers into generational poverty.
This is why I cannot see progressives as improving things. They slow the descent at most, they do not reverse the trend, and therefore we must commit to the revolutionary path. Also, if improving the lives of hundreds of millions is something you support, then I’d figure you would be the CPC’s strongest warrior. They eliminated absolute poverty for 800 million people.
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You are a child. Knee-jerk reaction to everything that that doesn’t align to your views, no introspection and absolutely no sign of object permanence.
And if you deadass think mass-murdering repressive dictatorship is the solution, oh bud, you are too far gone XD
Thinking China is like this while completely rooting for the genocide-enabling Democrats lol okay you little baby.
You did not answer my question. Let me ask in the form of metaphor, that might help. Do you believe capitalism is a sinking ship, where progressives can only patch holes to slow it sinking, or do you believe capitalism is a ship that is off-course, and that progressives can steer it towards the right direction? Which is it? I believe the former, but it’s unclear if you believe the latter.
As for China, it’s a democratic country run by popular councils that ladder upwards. For how this works in detail, as well as an overview of how socialist democracy has evolved over time and the reasons why, I recommend Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance by professor Roland Boer. Who is it that China is mass-murdering, by the way?
I’m genuinely trying to come to an understanding with your thought process. I don’t think we will agree, but I think we can find common ground.
Still, it must be better than Trump administration
That is hard to predict if a democratic president will be better, other than a sense of national normality. There are some weird national changes I do not understand; and future democratic governments may decide to ignore or even embrace.
The Trump years did not occur out of a vacuum. There are very real forces that are shaping a collapse of the federal government, beyond who is in the white house
Yes, the US government will still serve oligarchs, bomb brown people, and harass immigrants - they just won’t brag about it as much.
not where it matters
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Economic base of society reproduces certain behaviors in our cultural/ideological superstructure. You want to manage the symptoms, I want to cure the disease.
Well, let me know when you deploy the cure! Until then, symptoms should be managed, yes?
How fucking telling of you LMAO
You really are outing yourself as admitting doing nothing but voting. You can wait decades but when criticized or alternative methods are brought up, you demand instant results. Because in reality, you only care about yourself and white people.
When did I say voting is the only thing I do? I’m saying that voting helps, and Republicans are allowed power, they make things much, much worse.
They actually sell scarecrows, they might be more receptive to your strawmanning :)
Hey, you haven’t answered my question from another reply to you. Since you demand answer all the time, I will do the same.
Do you think accepting genocide is worth it for voting in Democrats?
What do you do? When people criticize the democrats for its genocidal ambitions, them becoming openly transphobic and passing anti-trans bills while refusing any taxes on the wealthy. Who say that medicare for all is not going to happen.
When people do that criticism, you start yelling and crying, defending them like the valiant warrior you see yourself as.
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I’ll let the reformists do the reforming. And I’ll be there every step of the way to point out when those reforms don’t work.
That is my job. The reformists only want to manage the symptoms. Or at least pretend that they want to manage the symptoms because they will come up with bureaucratic excuses to take away those reforms and to not let you have them in the first place.
Are you actually bragging about having nothing useful to contribute to society?
“I can’t do anything except criticize the people doing the actual work” isn’t the flex you seem to think it is.
Nope, both sides are the same, all those silly vulnerable people voting Dem are dumb idiots, actually!
.mlOf course .world would say this while having literally no nuance or understanding on anything. You lot lack any literacy that isn’t Harry Potter lol
What about all the “silly vulnerable people” that do not vote, and what about the “silly vulnerable people” that prefer revolution over reformism as a strategy?
