• Jason2357@lemmy.ca
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    Agreed. Fuck off with this “we have no free speech” bullshit, substack (and it’s freedom of conscience in Canada in the first place, not free speech). All of the things listed are social consequences, not criminal prosecution or some other government persecution. Sarah was booted by her party, not the government, and the rest are employers and universities. If there is fault, it lies with those organizations.

    It’s also not protected speech, so if there is fault, those organizations will have to suffer social consequences themselves, as it doesn’t seem that they broke any laws.

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      The censured her:

      The Doug Ford government has put forward a motion that would censure an Ontario NDP MPP over her comments on the Israel-Gaza war and ask they not be recognized in the legislature until a formal apology is made and a statement on social media is deleted.

      The motion calls comments made by Hamilton Centre MPP Sarah Jama last week “antisemitic” and “discriminatory.” If passed, it would call on the Speaker not to recognize Jama in the House “until the Member retracts and deletes her statement on social media and makes an apology in her place in the House.”

      So they’re trying to completely take away her ability to govern because of her speech. So yes, the government is trying to silence her.

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        And like several things Douggie has put through, it will ultimately be deemed illegal. That bill is a clear violation of charter rights.

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          I’m not familiar with how censure works in the Ontario Provincial Parliament legal framework. Do you have any examples of precedent where a censure motion has been struck down in court? Because my understanding is that the majority was within their legal powers to do this.

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        You mean the government that was handed a 66% majority by 17% of eligible voters?

        You get the government you deserve when you don’t fucking show up to vote.

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      There’s a bit of a blurred line when they’re members of government or government organizations versus private employers.

      A political party IS part of government, even if it’s not the political party leading the country. However, a party shouldn’t be forced to keep somebody who goes off the rails and is causing them damage. At the same time, those same parties seem to be very pick-and-choose about which “rebellious” members they decide to expel and over what issues

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        Also, one of the examples cited was York University, and universities are provincially regulated and funded.

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      Clock is ticking. Just wait until the companies start fucking you over with this power you’ve given them.

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        Like most people, I avoid companies that platform hate, and am perfectly contented being banned from them if they go that far. That’s not a power they ever didn’t have.

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          Like I said, clock is ticking. You won’t be so happy go lucky when it’s your job getting a new CEO or a big platform like YouTube denying you access to a platform.

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            My job getting a new CEO? Getting a new useless figurehead is supposed to scare me? Why? Youtube is going to block me? Why should I care? They either moderate hateful content, or they lose me and a great many others -voluntarily.