• Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)@piefed.zipEnglish
        4·
        3 hours ago

        Yeah, but I think sometimes people forget that the “fuck israel” has to be derived from “free Palestine” and just get a little carried away feeling comfortable in having someone they’re allowed to meaninglessly hate and vilify as the badguy

        There’s a great quote that you must love the oppressed more than you hate the oppressor, and that framing made a big impact on me. So much of the discussion online about plaestine is centered on Israeli atrocities, moreso than Palestinian tragedy and loss.

        I get why, but the important thing is the liberation of the Palestinian people. Hatred for their oppressor is meant to come from hatred of their oppression.

    • AeronMelon@lemmy.world
      62·
      9 hours ago

      I’m a simple man.

      I see people being nice, I respect them. I see people hurting others I say fuck ‘em.

      • Victor@lemmy.world
        11·
        8 hours ago

        You know what I mean? It doesn’t have to be harder than that. It used to be how we showed each other what is acceptable and what isn’t. That… doesn’t seem to “take” anymore.

        • FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 hour ago

          You would think a group that suffered the most horrific treatment from the nazis would do the exact opposite, not improve on their playbook

          That “never forget” slogan seems to mean “shoot first so they can’t” lately.

  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
    101·
    6 hours ago

    This would’ve been a mildly hot take three or even two years ago, but in 2026 it’s thoroughly milquetoast.

  • magnetosphere@fedia.io
    32·
    9 hours ago

    This is another good example of saying “Fuck (country name)” they’re usually talking about the government of that country, and not necessarily the citizens. For example, Russia can fuck right off, but I’d expect that most Russian citizens are decent people who are merely drowning in propaganda. Lots of people are, all around the world.

    • MrNobody@quokk.auEnglish
      1·
      4 hours ago

      I fully mean fuck the state and the people of Israel. May their country be destroyed and the lands returned to the Palestinians. Israelis can go flee to the US or something for all I care.

    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
      91·
      7 hours ago

      I take that approach for almost countries, but I have a hard time with Israel because their polls continue to show 80%+ support for the genocide. That’s a huge portion of the population to be irredeemable.

    • bryophile@lemmy.zip
      181·
      9 hours ago

      Yes even US Americans are probably just decent people generally. I know it’s hard to imagine with some of these countries but we shouldn’t forget people aren’t their governments.

        • bryophile@lemmy.zip
          81·
          8 hours ago

          And even they are mostly decent people, just misguided by propaganda/misinformation.

          • UsernamesAreForSuckers@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 hour ago

            I don’t think anyone not living in America understands how deeply propaganda is pushed here across media and culture. The ruling class has distorted everything so much it’s hard to have a coherent conversation with most people on real issues. The misinformation and capital class talking points are intensely deep seated.

          • chaogomu@lemmy.worldEnglish
            32·
            6 hours ago

            No. I’ve had several people admit to me that the hatred is the point.

            Anyine who still supports this regime is supporting them because of the hatred.

            • UsernamesAreForSuckers@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 hour ago

              Hate is a multi-billion dollar business in America. The capital class spends obscene amounts of money to keep people hating each other and stoke the culture war. It’s the evolution of the old school union busting on the 1900s.

              • chaogomu@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                3 hours ago

                I judge people based on their choices and actions.

                Some have chosen to embrace the hatred. And so I judge them for it.

                At this point in my life, I’m not interested in attempting to redeem people who have chosen evil.

      • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
        41·
        7 hours ago

        Yeah, Americans can be insufferable but I try to consider that they’re indoctrinated from birth and people be people. Birthplace doesn’t dictate the person

    • Jordan117@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      7 hours ago

      Tbh, Israelis as a whole invite a lot of hate upon themselves by wholeheartedly supporting outright genocide. Public polling there shows a disturbingly large number of even young, secular Israelis advocate for killing everyone in Gaza, including women and children:

      https://zeteo.com/p/its-not-just-netanyahu-a-lot-of-israelis

      https://theconversation.com/in-israel-calls-for-genocide-have-migrated-from-the-margins-to-the-mainstream-250010

      That doesn’t mean every Israeli or every Jewish person is culpable or suspect, ofc. But I think it’s even more justifiable to distrust the country as a whole as it is to distrust the US electorate after re-electing Trump. Netanyahu is corrupt and bloodthirsty, but his policies still enjoy broad support from voters there.