I remember asking my mother in the days before the election if she really thought the Democratic party leadership was willing to sacrifice America just insulate Israel from consequences and she just couldn’t wrap her mind around the idea that Israel and Palestine was a big deal because it just didn’t show up in her news that much…
“I don’t think everybody’s as plugged into the news as You are ‘Faithful’ I don’t think that’s as big a deal as you seem to think it is.”.
That’s when I knew we were doomed.
She should have come out publicly against Israel’s behavior and said she was willing to rein them in. That was the minimum she should have done. Anybody telling her otherwise was willing to sacrifice America for Israel.
Israel was the litmus test. Can you call water wet? Is the sky blue? Is genocide wrong? Can we stop funding it?
Her failure to do this was a failure not a difference of opinion. Whoever the next candidate is is going to need to acknowledge the reality of the world and that might mean removing the Zionist lobby from the conversation entirely by force if necessary.
We didn’t avoid “that whole Israel thing”, because Harris and Trump were in agreement on that. Maybe if Harris had been against it, she wouldn’t have lost. But she chose to support a genocide, over keeping Trump out of office. It sounds to me like she should have had better priorities.
So, Israel was unavoidable, on that we can agree. Was the new doctrine for ICE unavoidable? Was the complete erosion of any sustem that upheld civilian rights unavoidable? Was the complete dismantling of USAide avoidable? Were the tariff wars unavoidable? Was all the unsafe food unavoidable?
I guess there was just nothing that could have been helped, they’re just the exact same thing, right? Otherwise your ideals, well, they’d be compromised, and surely nothing is more important than the way you interpret things as they are required to be. Reality is for losers, afterall. Let it be damned.
Uh, what? No. I don’t agree with that at all. It was so easily avoidable, that other candidates were already calling it out as a problem.
Was the new doctrine for ICE unavoidable?
Of course it was avoidable. But Biden decided to go ahead and increase funding to ICE as well. I didn’t see Harris criticize that, in fact, I seem to remember her being supportive of ICE.
Was the complete erosion of any sustem that upheld civilian rights unavoidable?
No, it wasn’t unavoidable. Biden and Obama did that just for funzies. I don’t remember her speaking out about that.
Was the complete dismantling of USAide avoidable? Were the tariff wars unavoidable? Was all the unsafe food unavoidable?
Nope, none of this was unavoidable. Maybe Harris should have run a serious campagin to try to keep these things from happening.
I guess there was just nothing that could have been helped, they’re just the exact same thing, right?
Wut? Who said they were the exact same thing? I never did. Again, Liberals keep telling me what I think, instead of talking about the points that I’ve actually made.
Otherwise your ideals, well, they’d be compromised…
Yeah, my rigid and unrealistic ideals like “bombing kids is bad”, and “rapists are bad”, and “genocide is bad”, and “torture is bad”. How awful of me to have those as a standard.
and surely nothing is more important than the way you interpret things as they are required to be. Reality is for losers, afterall. Let it be damned.
I’m acurately pointing out the things that the Democrats did, and why they lost to Trump. Of course, you made up arguments for me, put words into my mouth, and yelled at me for things that I didn’t say, but I’m the one that is acting like “Reality is for losers…”
Blame it all on Biden, great call, very pragmatic. You know who else blames the entirety of this situation on Biden in a staggeringly similar manner as you just did?
Also, it’s text, there was no yelling or anger. Your hyperbolia is showing.
I didn’t blame it all on Biden. I also blamed Harris and Obama, and if it wasn’t implied enough, I’m blaming the rest of the Democratic party, including their voters.
You know who else blames the entirety of this situation on Biden in a staggeringly similar manner as you just did?
Yeah, people who remember more than 6 months ago. People who were paying attention when Biden was stumbling around, fucking up the economy, sending people to torture prisons, and spending a lot of money on building out Trumps projects.
Yes, you are correct. One election cycle could have changed all of that, if the Democrats actually wanted to fix it. They had 4 years, and a majority. But instead of fixing all of that, they quietly increase funding to things like ICE, torture prisons, and genocide.
I love it when “stop bombing kids”, or “stop sending people to torture prisons”, or “stop bypassing Congress to spend money on Trumps projects” by the supposed opposition party is considered “idealism”.
I remember asking my mother in the days before the election if she really thought the Democratic party leadership was willing to sacrifice America just insulate Israel from consequences and she just couldn’t wrap her mind around the idea that Israel and Palestine was a big deal because it just didn’t show up in her news that much…
“I don’t think everybody’s as plugged into the news as You are ‘Faithful’ I don’t think that’s as big a deal as you seem to think it is.”.
That’s when I knew we were doomed.
She should have come out publicly against Israel’s behavior and said she was willing to rein them in. That was the minimum she should have done. Anybody telling her otherwise was willing to sacrifice America for Israel.
Israel was the litmus test. Can you call water wet? Is the sky blue? Is genocide wrong? Can we stop funding it?
Her failure to do this was a failure not a difference of opinion. Whoever the next candidate is is going to need to acknowledge the reality of the world and that might mean removing the Zionist lobby from the conversation entirely by force if necessary.
For sure, actual Hitler was a way better option to let your chips fall on. Glad we avoided that whole Israel thing that Kamala was gonna do.
Acknowledging how failure occurs is not rooting for the success of the enemy.
Kamala was extremely hard to sell. Harder somehow even than Hillary was. I campaigned for Julia Carson. Kamala was no Julia Carson.
How’d things go for Julia?
What was that about acknowledging how failure occurred?
We didn’t avoid “that whole Israel thing”, because Harris and Trump were in agreement on that. Maybe if Harris had been against it, she wouldn’t have lost. But she chose to support a genocide, over keeping Trump out of office. It sounds to me like she should have had better priorities.
So, Israel was unavoidable, on that we can agree. Was the new doctrine for ICE unavoidable? Was the complete erosion of any sustem that upheld civilian rights unavoidable? Was the complete dismantling of USAide avoidable? Were the tariff wars unavoidable? Was all the unsafe food unavoidable?
I guess there was just nothing that could have been helped, they’re just the exact same thing, right? Otherwise your ideals, well, they’d be compromised, and surely nothing is more important than the way you interpret things as they are required to be. Reality is for losers, afterall. Let it be damned.
Uh, what? No. I don’t agree with that at all. It was so easily avoidable, that other candidates were already calling it out as a problem.
Of course it was avoidable. But Biden decided to go ahead and increase funding to ICE as well. I didn’t see Harris criticize that, in fact, I seem to remember her being supportive of ICE.
No, it wasn’t unavoidable. Biden and Obama did that just for funzies. I don’t remember her speaking out about that.
Nope, none of this was unavoidable. Maybe Harris should have run a serious campagin to try to keep these things from happening.
Wut? Who said they were the exact same thing? I never did. Again, Liberals keep telling me what I think, instead of talking about the points that I’ve actually made.
Yeah, my rigid and unrealistic ideals like “bombing kids is bad”, and “rapists are bad”, and “genocide is bad”, and “torture is bad”. How awful of me to have those as a standard.
I’m acurately pointing out the things that the Democrats did, and why they lost to Trump. Of course, you made up arguments for me, put words into my mouth, and yelled at me for things that I didn’t say, but I’m the one that is acting like “Reality is for losers…”
Blame it all on Biden, great call, very pragmatic. You know who else blames the entirety of this situation on Biden in a staggeringly similar manner as you just did?
Also, it’s text, there was no yelling or anger. Your hyperbolia is showing.
I didn’t blame it all on Biden. I also blamed Harris and Obama, and if it wasn’t implied enough, I’m blaming the rest of the Democratic party, including their voters.
Yeah, people who remember more than 6 months ago. People who were paying attention when Biden was stumbling around, fucking up the economy, sending people to torture prisons, and spending a lot of money on building out Trumps projects.
Yup, and one election cycle was going to change all of that. Progress does tend to happen just all at once, like a miracle from god.
God damn, idealism is one hell of a drug.
Yes, you are correct. One election cycle could have changed all of that, if the Democrats actually wanted to fix it. They had 4 years, and a majority. But instead of fixing all of that, they quietly increase funding to things like ICE, torture prisons, and genocide.
I love it when “stop bombing kids”, or “stop sending people to torture prisons”, or “stop bypassing Congress to spend money on Trumps projects” by the supposed opposition party is considered “idealism”.