This took me a long time to figure out so I’m very sympathetic.
One way political people bring attention to bad politics is to body shame. The intent is to bring energy to the shaming. This is to wake up all the non-political people by being funny or hateful. These emotions travel farther than just facts.
The side effect is that some people walk away thinking the body shaming is the point. It isn’t.
It sucks that the facts aren’t enough, but that is the world we live in.
So it’s not that micropenises are bad. It’s that Trump is bad and it is the common thought that micro penises are bad or funny or inadequate. Just because it’s common thought though doesn’t mean it’s true.
If I read this reply as an honest question I would say, unfortunately yes, as long as they’re doing fascist things.
If I read this reply as a gotcha attempt, I would say I am a fat man and I would say yes. Fascism is a disease of the state. People are going to die, and some people will catch strays.
The sooner we wake up to the fact that there are political problems that need to be solved the sooner we can stop doing this horrible stuff.
anytime anyone talks about abigail shapiro they mention her “mommy milkers”, and one of the biggest criticisms of terfs you’ll see is “lol they all look like old hags”
like, these women are heinous, yet people still primarily use misogyny to attack them…
If I had to guess, I think the user you replied to would agree that your example is also morally wrong and strategically counterproductive. It seems like that was their point.
If body shaming is used it activates group think and hate. It brings hateful and mindless people to your side but they switch immediately if somebody on your side is insulted in the same way.
It also justifies hate as the final tool to resolve a problem. The offer of the left is a pluralistic society. The moment Trump changes and is respectful to others he should be invited. If he is rejected for his penis then there is no option for him to switch sides.
Shaming people for body parts is the same mindset as racism. It turns the left into poor conservatives.
What’s the difference to conservatives if violence becomes a means to an end?
If it is ok to ridicule micropenisses, how should people with other disabilities or minorities in general feel safe? Making fun of body issues destroys the left idea of inclusion.
What’s the difference to conservatives if violence becomes a means to an end?
I think you should look into basic political theory. Violence is always a means to an end. If cops show up to send you to jail and you say “no I am not going”, they aren’t just going to stand there until you agree to come with them. They will use violence. It’s how all states enforce their laws.
The difference is using violence to create good outcomes vs bad outcomes. Conservatives will use violence to send brown people El Salvador. The outcome of this is creating a white ethnostate. This is bad for not only the brown people (obviously), but also for the white people as diversity is healthy and increases quality of life. Leftists would use violence to shrink the income inequality witch would improve many peoples lives. All this to say, good things and good and bad things are bad.
If it is ok to ridicule micropenisses, how should people with other disabilities or minorities in general feel safe? Making fun of body issues destroys the left idea of inclusion.
To be 100% clear it’s only ok to ridicule micropenisses if the person you are ridiculing is a fascist. I am not saying you can drop this on anyone.
I don’t like it that innocent people will catch strays because some people will see this as an excuse. I would rather not do harm. But we don’t start waking people up that the USA is turning fascist these people will have a lot more safety concerns than lacking body positivity.
Would you rather they have low self esteem or be sent to El Salvador or worse, executed for being different?
Also, I will happily feel unsafe as a fat person if it means I safe a couple of lives. Given what a fascist US could do I might saves 100s.
It’s not so much that you become a fascist but that third parties see you body shaming and it stops being possible to argue that fascists are bad because they do body shaming or make fun of other minorities.
No it is very possible, fascists directly and indirectly kill a lot of people. Sure they can also call me fat but I can just say at least I don’t end up killing a bunch of innocent people. See, easy!
This took me a long time to figure out so I’m very sympathetic.
One way political people bring attention to bad politics is to body shame. The intent is to bring energy to the shaming. This is to wake up all the non-political people by being funny or hateful. These emotions travel farther than just facts.
The side effect is that some people walk away thinking the body shaming is the point. It isn’t.
It sucks that the facts aren’t enough, but that is the world we live in.
So it’s not that micropenises are bad. It’s that Trump is bad and it is the common thought that micro penises are bad or funny or inadequate. Just because it’s common thought though doesn’t mean it’s true.
Would it be fair game to call out female politicians for being fat or their flabby labbies?
If I read this reply as an honest question I would say, unfortunately yes, as long as they’re doing fascist things.
If I read this reply as a gotcha attempt, I would say I am a fat man and I would say yes. Fascism is a disease of the state. People are going to die, and some people will catch strays.
The sooner we wake up to the fact that there are political problems that need to be solved the sooner we can stop doing this horrible stuff.
except people absolutely do that to women as well
anytime anyone talks about abigail shapiro they mention her “mommy milkers”, and one of the biggest criticisms of terfs you’ll see is “lol they all look like old hags”
like, these women are heinous, yet people still primarily use misogyny to attack them…
If I had to guess, I think the user you replied to would agree that your example is also morally wrong and strategically counterproductive. It seems like that was their point.
absolutely, and if that’s their point, i fully agree
my point is that you can’t really say “but what if people did this to women also?” because there is no if. people do that to women, all the time
Yes if they made fun of for example disabled people themselves.
No, it invalidates the respectful mindset.
If body shaming is used it activates group think and hate. It brings hateful and mindless people to your side but they switch immediately if somebody on your side is insulted in the same way.
It also justifies hate as the final tool to resolve a problem. The offer of the left is a pluralistic society. The moment Trump changes and is respectful to others he should be invited. If he is rejected for his penis then there is no option for him to switch sides.
Shaming people for body parts is the same mindset as racism. It turns the left into poor conservatives.
Yes, I agree it isn’t respectful. It does not turn people into racists or conservatives though.
You know you can just stop making fun of people after making fun of them for having a micro penis. That is a thing you can do.
It doesn’t justify anything. It’s a means to an end.
What’s the difference to conservatives if violence becomes a means to an end?
If it is ok to ridicule micropenisses, how should people with other disabilities or minorities in general feel safe? Making fun of body issues destroys the left idea of inclusion.
I think you should look into basic political theory. Violence is always a means to an end. If cops show up to send you to jail and you say “no I am not going”, they aren’t just going to stand there until you agree to come with them. They will use violence. It’s how all states enforce their laws.
The difference is using violence to create good outcomes vs bad outcomes. Conservatives will use violence to send brown people El Salvador. The outcome of this is creating a white ethnostate. This is bad for not only the brown people (obviously), but also for the white people as diversity is healthy and increases quality of life. Leftists would use violence to shrink the income inequality witch would improve many peoples lives. All this to say, good things and good and bad things are bad.
To be 100% clear it’s only ok to ridicule micropenisses if the person you are ridiculing is a fascist. I am not saying you can drop this on anyone.
I don’t like it that innocent people will catch strays because some people will see this as an excuse. I would rather not do harm. But we don’t start waking people up that the USA is turning fascist these people will have a lot more safety concerns than lacking body positivity.
Would you rather they have low self esteem or be sent to El Salvador or worse, executed for being different?
Also, I will happily feel unsafe as a fat person if it means I safe a couple of lives. Given what a fascist US could do I might saves 100s.
Good entirely depends on your perspective. Conservatives also use violence to create what they perceive as good outcomes.
The difference is that fascists use violence to supress everybody who is different instead of being inclusive and accept differences.
Ridiculing differences is a step into the dark side that shouldn’t be made.
Yes, by definition. What is your point? We all agree murder is bad so we put people who disagree with that in jail.
Not just Conservatives, everyone does this. Any society with laws will need to use violence to enforce those laws.
Can you be more specific? If I make fun of a fat fascist today, how does this result in me become a fascist or a fascist state arise?
It’s not so much that you become a fascist but that third parties see you body shaming and it stops being possible to argue that fascists are bad because they do body shaming or make fun of other minorities.
No it is very possible, fascists directly and indirectly kill a lot of people. Sure they can also call me fat but I can just say at least I don’t end up killing a bunch of innocent people. See, easy!