• seeigel@feddit.org
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    3 days ago

    What’s the difference to conservatives if violence becomes a means to an end?

    If it is ok to ridicule micropenisses, how should people with other disabilities or minorities in general feel safe? Making fun of body issues destroys the left idea of inclusion.

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      2 days ago

      What’s the difference to conservatives if violence becomes a means to an end?

      I think you should look into basic political theory. Violence is always a means to an end. If cops show up to send you to jail and you say “no I am not going”, they aren’t just going to stand there until you agree to come with them. They will use violence. It’s how all states enforce their laws.

      The difference is using violence to create good outcomes vs bad outcomes. Conservatives will use violence to send brown people El Salvador. The outcome of this is creating a white ethnostate. This is bad for not only the brown people (obviously), but also for the white people as diversity is healthy and increases quality of life. Leftists would use violence to shrink the income inequality witch would improve many peoples lives. All this to say, good things and good and bad things are bad.

      If it is ok to ridicule micropenisses, how should people with other disabilities or minorities in general feel safe? Making fun of body issues destroys the left idea of inclusion.

      To be 100% clear it’s only ok to ridicule micropenisses if the person you are ridiculing is a fascist. I am not saying you can drop this on anyone.

      I don’t like it that innocent people will catch strays because some people will see this as an excuse. I would rather not do harm. But we don’t start waking people up that the USA is turning fascist these people will have a lot more safety concerns than lacking body positivity.

      Would you rather they have low self esteem or be sent to El Salvador or worse, executed for being different?

      Also, I will happily feel unsafe as a fat person if it means I safe a couple of lives. Given what a fascist US could do I might saves 100s.

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        2 days ago

        The difference is using violence to create good outcomes vs bad outcomes.

        Good entirely depends on your perspective. Conservatives also use violence to create what they perceive as good outcomes.

        The difference is that fascists use violence to supress everybody who is different instead of being inclusive and accept differences.

        Ridiculing differences is a step into the dark side that shouldn’t be made.

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          2 days ago

          Good entirely depends on your perspective.

          Yes, by definition. What is your point? We all agree murder is bad so we put people who disagree with that in jail.

          Conservatives also use violence to create what they perceive as good outcomes.

          Not just Conservatives, everyone does this. Any society with laws will need to use violence to enforce those laws.

          Ridiculing differences is a step into the dark side that shouldn’t be made.

          Can you be more specific? If I make fun of a fat fascist today, how does this result in me become a fascist or a fascist state arise?

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            1 day ago

            It’s not so much that you become a fascist but that third parties see you body shaming and it stops being possible to argue that fascists are bad because they do body shaming or make fun of other minorities.

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              1 day ago

              No it is very possible, fascists directly and indirectly kill a lot of people. Sure they can also call me fat but I can just say at least I don’t end up killing a bunch of innocent people. See, easy!

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                1 day ago

                The killing is hypothetical in the build up phase so people don’t take it serious. The insults are real and could be used to show the difference.

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                  1 day ago

                  Then we come back to the problem that no one cares. Insults are what gets peoples attention. Look, everyone was being nice about all the fascists in the US and now there is killing. So go us!

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                    1 day ago

                    Now there is the threat of killing in the US. Look at Iraq, the killing has been there for a long time.

                    Insults give you attention but so do boobs. People cannot care because they struggle to survive.

                    To make them care give them something to build. Time spent on anger about Trump is less time building a social support network.