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To be fair, sending millions to their death has never been a problem for America.
Is this shit for real?
Meme the fuck outta this with homelander begging to eat Butcher’s shit, folks!
Lmao what does that happen in the show? I’ve only read the comics.
We sure as fuck don’t have one people or one heritage. We’re a melting pot and the fascists are just the burnt crust around the edge of the pot that should be scrubbed the fuck off.
E pluribus unum. But since that’s not in 'Merica talk, they don’t understand it.
Americans love to remember the time Germany killed millions of it’s own people, back in the 1930s, before their country was covered in US bases.
They really don’t like bringing up how Germany supported South African Apartheid or the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Nevermind the German Experiment That Placed Foster Children with Pedophiles.
The idea that Germany just “got better” after the War is the biggest lie in modern history. They became a beach head for a whole new generation of fascists.
What is your point?
Nazis also said “Germany awake!” as a slogan, “Freedom and bread”, “Victory!” and so on, simple phrases without any derogatory or fascist meaning, I don’t see the problem.
“Jews are our misfortune” is another matter.
The problem is, contextually, this is a direct nod to the “ein volk, ein reich” shit of Nazi Germany. It is most certainly intended to be exactly that. For that reason it’s invigorating to the far right, white nationalist, christofascist crowd. It’s still appealing to the uneducated tone-deaf right who, like yourself, think (or are quick to excuse it as) “oh, it’s just a happy simple little slogan about bringing America together 🦅🇺🇸🎆🔫.” Which is great for the aforementioned fascists because they can hide behind that interpretation and know the people who only see it that way are dumb enough to continue to back them. Simultaneously it serves as a reminder to anyone not pasty enough of complexion that they are not welcome in the far right’s idea of America. They are not welcome as part of the “one.” “The melting pot has been switched off. Drop your culture and heritage at the door. If you assimilate maybe we’ll use you as a token but we still really don’t want you here.”
I’m not one who is keen to ever hand over words, phrases, symbols and such to hatred. It sucks to let awful people appropriate them. But you’d need to have been living under a rock for the last decade to not see the obvious dog whistle for what it is. In a vacuum I wouldn’t see the problem either. Here on planet Earth you’d need to be deaf and blind to miss it.
They just quote the nazis at this point.
One of ours, all of yours.
We’ll have our home again.
The GOP under Dubya tried to make “homeland” part of everyday speech back in 2001, but in spite of naming a govt agency after it, it never really caught on.
Aren’t we all blocking US federal departments from our feeds as far right spam these days? No? Just me?
Not me, I prefer being aware of their propaganda and spin. Why not?
The abuse of the platform and of the credulity of the office makes me too angry I guess.
I think we’re not on twitter, first of all
Or threads.
At my old job, there was some back and forth about some feature detail. The product lady messaged me and said “do you have a few minutes to talk about the final solution?”
I was like, “uhh you mean the sorting filter on the projects page? Yes, so long as we don’t call it the final solution”
I don’t know if she knows that phrase already has a history
This lead me asking a bunch of coworkers if they knew. About half were familiar.
I feel really uncomfortable when a black service worker calls me “boss”.
Idk why…I think there was a book that we listened to in like 7th grade that was narrated by LeVar Burton where there was a character that was, I think, a freed slave, and he was travelling with some young abolitionist white kid, and he’d always call the kid Boss, and it made the kid like really uncomfortable, and that must’ve rubbed off on me.
Was it The Cay?
I was in a meeting planning a large corporate event. A chef was there discussing food options and how they were having trouble finding a kosher meal provider but they have a work around until they find a final solution. Me and one other person both looked up and made eye contact, but no one else reacted. I had to pull the chef aside and ask him not to use that phrase when speaking about kosher meals.
I can’t imagine forgetting that phrase from school over 2 decades ago. I get people not knowing lots of the details, but missing that, work will set you free… etc etc. That’s really bad.
Keep in mind English might not be someone’s first language. They might have learned the phrase in school in their language, or even the German original, but not whatever is the accepted English translation.
Come on now. It was reasonable for someone to say the final solution in your scenario. It is totally reasonable to call out these things especially when it is purposefully being used like the OP. However, your scenario sounds like you are making a situation about something it isn’t at all.
I accept that she wasn’t referencing the historical meaning on purpose. She likely wasn’t a classic Nazi trying to dog whistle. However, not recognizing the phrase is concerning. Especially given the current rise of Nazi-compatible ideology in power.
Im a process chemist and we often actually form solutions at the end of a chemical process that are unfortunately deemed “final solutions”. There’s not really a way around it since it’s the most technically accurate way to describe what we’re dealing with
This slogan is obviously Nazi talk. The Nazi phrase in its entirety however would translate as “One Empire. One People. One Leader”. “Homeland” is close enough but they apparently shied away from going all the way down to “one leader”.
I think “homeland” is even worse. Although “one leader” demands absolute obedience and is bad enough, “one homeland” clearly spells out anti-immigrant ideology.
Modern German Nazis also prefer to talk about homeland, I think Empire is not too catchy of a concept abymore even fir their target audience.
they know who the leader is. it’s not the dipshit with the poorly-fitting suits. it’s heritage foundation.
Fair enough.
This is a real post on x. It technically isn’t the same as the nazi slogan, but weirdly close. More info: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/labor-department-post-slammed_n_696499cae4b0db619f4af95e
This is a pretty good response there:
Can’t wait for the sequel! ‘Labor creates Liberty’ or ‘Work earns Freedom’ has that specific 1930s ‘retro’ energy that really matches the new vibe. History is so much fun when it repeats itself, right? 😉🇺🇸
“America First” is so pedestrian. How about “America Above All”?
The alliteration really makes it pop.
Also like, we famously have very many heritages.
How many of them were granted human rights for the majority of the country’s history, lol?
Very few, that doesn’t take away from the fact that we’re still a nation of immigrants and should reject the lie of a unified American heritage.
Genocidal settler-colonialism is not “immigration”, and neither is being enslaved and transported over the Atlantic ocean.
The unified American heritage is white land owners get rights and everybody else has to fight to get any.
But also share one.
Our whole heritage is being a melting pot of every heritage mixed together. Blood nationalism makes ZERO sense whatsoever.
Actually your heritage is that of native American genocide, centuries of African slavery, and then countless illegal wars of aggression.
Thats the heritage of most countries with European settler/colonial histories.
And? You want to widen the discussion or try and derail it?
.ml account
Opinion discarded!
Are you actually claiming that the ‘heritage’ of the country that engaged in slavery and multiple genocides, and still engage in such today is not any of those things?
Basing the value of a response on the user’s Lemmy instance has to be amongst the stupidest forms of tribalism in human history.
Given Godric’s blatantly stupid tribalism, I think you’re seeing a pattern that’s real
A .world user WOULD say that!
/jk
Noting that valueless responses constantly emerge from a certain lemmy instance is simply pattern recognition!
Don’t worry, lib. I’m one of the good ones ;)
Funny thing, my old nan said nearly the same thing about black people.
.ml are literally like black people guys
context pls
He hates accurate historical analysis. It hurts his perception of the piece of land he was born on.
Notice how he even got down voted on his own “safe” instance.
There’s a pretty good chance that user will, in the same breath, go: Jefferson bad, Stalin good. Because authoritarians and genocides perpetrated by entities pretending to be communist are somehow excusable.
Genocidal slavers like Jefferson are, indeed, bad.
Not sure why a person took part in massively improving the rights and living conditions of the working class and fighting against the original nazis should be considered bad in comparison with enthusiastic slavers.Just admit it - you only said that because you have been bombarded your whole life with propaganda about how the most vile polity in the world is somehow good, while Stalin is somehow bad for some reason.
Stalin saved Europe from the Nazis. Is that not good to you?
Lol, called it.
You guys really love to ignore his genocide of his own countrymen.
.ml users have a pretty poor reputation in the fediverse as braindead ideologues who swarm and spam posts that don’t jive with their beleifs. It’s like having a neighbor constantly chucking dogshit over the fence and blaming you for the smell XD
Kind of silly to call people that keep being proven correct, and whose ideology(ies) are related to the world getting things like 8-hour working day, women getting basic rights, and decolonisation as ‘braindead’.
XD
So random
That’s not an opinion, lmao.
-claims to know the heritage of a random internet user
-gets called out in an equally snarky way
“acksyually it’s not an opinion lol”
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Was founded on theft,
Genocide and slavery,
Elected rapist
Oh, very good haiku Kyle!
They try, they die.
