capitalists gonna capitalist.
North Korea has the files, and are blackmailing Trump with it.
Hackers: You can hack hackers to do the funniest shit in the world, if the Lazarus Group happen to have some unredacted Epstein Files on a computer connected to the net.
North Korea has the nukes, and any US surface ships within missile range have been sitting ducks for years. Trump is just the only one who can pass off a retreat as a victory.
Like attracts like. One egomaniacal narcissistic dictator likes another egomaniacal narcissistic dictator.
do you support the sanctions on DPRK? just curious
See. At least this time you asked about it instead of just assuming.
What Smoke and Mirrors! What bombast! Now release the trump-epstein mp4s and remove the degenerate-in-chief!
Most people who try to describe their enemy “the left” have about as much brain matter as JFK
I was really expecting you to say RFK with that worm business and all, but either work.
Flimsy excuse to post one of my favorite images
JFK Jr: scrambled when he decided to push his flying skills beyond their limit, killing himself, his wife, and his sister-in-law.
I heard a conservative say the Iran situation is because Trump used to be a democrat and there’s still some democrat in him.
A 100% republican would have fixed Iran in 2 weeks.
Nah you see a real republican would have bombed them into submission and sent in the seals to finish the job /s
Fr the only chance of winning would have been by perfectly following the rules of war, showing restraint, and working to arm dissidents and build a resistance capable of running a successful rebellion and governing well. Followed by us helping the new government build itself up. We learned nothing in Vietnam, we learned nothing in Iraq, and by fuck we managed to learn nothing in Afghanistan. We also managed to completely unlearn everything we learned in France, Germany, and Japan.
But had we learned all this we wouldn’t have gone in alone, we’d’ve asked for the UN to call for troops to protect the protesters and worked with the international community to protect human rights.
No no, a REAL Republican would have personally walked into Iran naked, without a security detail, and carrying an American flag and an AR14 while proclaiming the Strait of Hormuz theirs. There’s still time if Trump or any tech CEO wants to show off their masculinity.
Damn in hindsight, it’s obvious he’s a lying piece of shit rapist, but at the time it was obvious too.
Can someone point me at one of these “tankies”? I only ever see strawman posts about how stupid they are.
Just go to Lemmy.ml
It’s not a strawman, that’s just how how far out of left field they are.
Post something controversial like “Stalin killed some of his own people” on .ml and you’ll see plenty of them.
Either that or say NK is a dictatorship. When I first got on lemmy I got dogpiled by the hexies because I dared to say NK is a highly propagandized country (even gasp* moreso than the US). Still waiting for even a single one of those guys to move countries to live under the Kim regime, which apparently is the chillest, friendliest place on earth.
Nowhere on earth is more propagandized than the US. It’s a literal $607B a year industry and it’s infected most of the planet at this stage.
US is absolutely more propagandized than NK lmao, NK dont even need to propagandize their people against US, they just need to tell the truth about the horrific crimes US commited there. What has NK ever done against US to be this demonized? lol.
US bad doesn’t mean NK good, ya mook
when did I say that? good and bad are moralist positions, we marxists dont believe in moralism.
What has NK ever done against US to be this demonized?
That’s the wrong question
why? USA wiped out 12-15% of North korean population btw, they have every single right in the universe to demonize that country.
Is that why you support the killing of millions of USSR civis? Like legit?
when you are in a making shit up competition and your opponent is a kamla harris voter liberal:
You’re all over this thread putting words into people’s mouths then get upset when someone does it back to you. Lmao.
An example https://vger.to/infosec.pub/post/37975928
I mean they exist, but it’s like… 3 people?
It’s mostly bots, people get into argument with tankie bots and then make a whole fucking drama post about it.
Almost like the throughline is authoritarianism. They like it when they have control but they don’t like it when who they don’t like has control.
Honestly, it feels like those with lower iq and less ability to inform themselves are the ones that love authoritarianism. They can’t form a coherent ideology and devolve into just trying to control everyone to their underdeveloped beliefs.
That’s where the whole bullshit idea of horseshoe theory comes from. It’s people leaving out the authoritarian axis because it’s beneficial to divide actual leftists and make us seem crazy.
Why is far left trademarked?..
Antifa LLC owns the trademark
Satire
why do you oppose lifting sanctions on north korea - which is a nation that is one of the biggest victim of US imperialism?
Liberals are just imperialists.
Comment you’re replying to never said any of that.
I don’t really oppose them?
Comply with international law and open up and I’d probably be for lifting them.
Just like I’m for removing sanctions on Cuba.
Just like I’m for imposing sanctions on Israel.
Just like I’m for imposing sanctions on my own imperialist country that’s bombing and invading the rest of the world.
And let’s point out too that it’s not the US alone who has sanctions on NK like we do on Cuba. The UN Security Council consistently votes against the Cuba sanctions. They don’t on NK sanctions. Russia and China are part of that council too with veto power, but it’s unanimois. So 🤷♂️
What I would be for, actually, is a better way to affect beneficial change and avoid harming civilians. Sanctions themselves disproportionately affect normal civilians through food and medical shortages, etc, while the political elite can avoid them.
We’re agreed though, liberals, especially neoliberal capitalists, are imperialists. And we’re feeling that imperial boomerang come back around to us finally.
Ok you are alright in this regard
I however disagree heavily with your assertion on “authoritarianism”, because I am a marxist leninist.
Every anti “authoritarian” tendency of socialism (moreso sceintific socialism i.e. marxism) is reactionary and idealist in itself.
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I more and more think that there is just one dimension starting by authoritarian and ending with social.
Faschistst, Tankies, free market libertarians, autocrats and feudalists, are just authoritarians in with different origins. Their team should be in power, their team should be supported by everyone, while they profit from it.
While social people want nobody to suffer, everyone to be in power and have self a determination, etc.
True free market libertarians are anti authoritarian. US free market libertarians are always happy to have tax cuts, subsidies, tariffs, regulatory oversight etc. So long as it benefits them.
There no such thing as a free market. It’s a constant tug of war between corporate consolidation and government/public power preventing monopoly and abuse. Removing the public power just leaves corporations unchecked and able to control the market itself.
I don’t think ‘true free market libertarians’ exist. They only want free market because it benefits them at the specific time or circumstances they want it.
They do exist. But not in the real business world.
There are economists that argue (with academic justification) that fewer frictions increase growth. But they usually ignore topics like human rights, environmental impacts, inequality etc.
Why did you use the stethoscope instead of the actual left right auth liberty axes?
This is where trump is objectively right and liberals have gotten mad they cant spill more korean blood.
It’s what happens when you don’t have the the ability to analyze through dialectical materialism. It’s confusing when suddenly the fascist mad man is seemingly taking the same stance as “tankies” on normalizing relations with a non violent country who’s only crime has been being victim of a genocidal campaign over half a century ago. Trump likes Kim for the same reason that he likes Xi. He thinks they are actually the evil dictators that the US makes them out to be. He wants to be an evil dictator. He will always respect any leader that panders to his ego and treats him like a leader. Ironically, Western countries are bad at this. It’s why he hates europe. Hell, Mamdani was smart enough to play a similar game of charisma. That’s the dialectics. At least from what we are hearing from Trump. It’s why he says things like this.
The main material reason is that the defeat in Iran has made any chance of the US maintaining its military in East Asia laughable. It cannot maintain its illusion of China being a threat. If China was going to invade Taiwan it would have done it. Instead, China cut its oil imports to help all of its Asian neighbors. The dream of a “shift to Asia” that happened under Obama is gone. The US power in West Asia is dying and they are pulling weapons and troops from East Asia to desperately attempt to hold onto it. They are stuck with capital invested in a region that they are showing absolute failure and weakness in. With capital investments in Israel and the military industrial complex Trump is being pressured to just “bring things back to how they were”. They never will be. It may take a long time before that is admitted. I expect another round of bombing campaigns and maybe even a desperate small ground troop invasion to attempt to save face and “claim the strate”. But this likely will fail and remain in this denial state for some time; ending through a different president most likely.
He will continue to deny the defeat and soon desperately shift to the one region of the world US capital can continue to exploit: South America.
Some of this is me mixing in my own predictions. Feel free to critize that. But, we obviously all know “JDPON Don” falls into the correct position sometimes, often because of his own ego and the shifting global relations in the face of a dying empire.
TLDR: The “tankies” are against American Imperialism. American Imperialism is losing its power and is forced by material circumstances to take actions that “tankies” would consider good. Trump is appealing to the “strong man” in Kim to make his weak move (failed Iran war causing troops and weapons to be removed) look like strength.
I think the simpler explanation is that NK has nukes, so any US surface ships in the vicinity are just missile bait in a war. Trump can get away with doing things normal politicians can’t, so his advisors told him how ‘respectful’ Kim was being and got him to move the ships to a place where they might still have some utility.
see how they just downvoted your comment and lack mental capacity to actually reply.
Nope, most people are just tired of arguing with tankie idiots the same way they are tired of arguing with MAGA idiots. It’s the same type of person.
Nope, most people are just tired of arguing with libshit idiots the same way they are tired of arguing with MAGA idiots. It’s the same type of person.
Lol, sure my guy. Keep telling yourself that.
same can be said about your comment above
Unthreatening and respectful, they just did a nuclear weapons test like a week ago
Oh, I forgot that there are people that like to split the hairs here.
Let me fix my sentence.
It was not an actual nuclear weapon test that happened a week ago, it was for the missile designed to carry such nuclear weapon. Totally different intent. Unthreatening and respectful.
The US did over 1000 tests since WWII. So?
Would you describe the US as “Unthreatening and respectful”?
No. Then you just answered yourself.
My horseshoe theory is that fascists are immune to horseshoes. I propose to launch horseshoes at Mach 4 at fascists to test this hypothesis (fascists take no damage from horseshoes being the null) and await positive response from the IRB
And all of this is said as The terrorist state of Israel is killing children unchecked.
Please save the innocent Palestinians from the terrorist state known as Israel.
How does one get so far left that they are a “tankie”? I feel like I am very left leaning, but I would punch a tankie in the head.
is my understanding wrong? I don’t get how you could be “Far Left” (In that they would be against Authoritarian Governments like the Nazis) yet also a “Tankie” (Which embraces and supports Authoritarian Governments).
Help me?
Bacuse left and right - socialism and capitalism - have nothing to do with authoritarianism, which itself is a spurious concept. All systems are authoritarian; you’re not allowed to form a communist state under liberalism, you’re not allowed to form a government under anarchism, etc. You’re forced to play by the rules of the hegemonic system, authoritarian is just a label for whether you personally like those rules.
Specifically, it was made to separate Hitler from the right and pawn him off to the left.
It is honestly pretty simple:
US = bad -> anti US = good
Add to that the idea that revolutions are inherently violent and killing of some traitors is fine and you have your tankie. For dictators being somewhat anti American is a pretty good strategy. The US propaganda is pro democracy and that is a great enemy for a dictator, the US also does a lot of evil shit and the fact that your country is poor is all to blame on the US and absolutely not on the dictators stealing everything. That btw is also why “socialism” never worked for tankies. As in it would have been perfect, but the US destroyed it.
As for many of the best stories, there is a good bit of truth in it. As in the US actually does a lot of evil shit and 100% fights leftist movements. However it is not always the bad guy and two bad guys can fight each other and do so all the time.
Add to that the idea that revolutions are inherently violent and killing of some traitors is fine
This is objectively true. Tell me one big societal change that is achieved without violence?
two bad guys can fight each other and do so all the time
Democrats and Republicans, i.e. Libs and MAGAts
absolutely not on the dictators stealing everything
Most of the time those “dictators” are dirt poor themselves (see maduro or gadaffi). I dont know where you got this assertion from.
That btw is also why “socialism” never worked
Socialism absolutely worked and it was 100% destroyed by USA most of the time.
I heard recently on a podcast a friend put on after we broke a ‘length of time arguing about music’ rule that ‘horseshoe theory exists and is real, but only for idiots’
This is the truest thing I have ever heard.
