Welcome again to everybody. Thank you for joining us for the time-honoured tradition of our group, here is the weekly discussion thread.
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P.S. I was not late what are you talking about
It’s kind of cute that Lenin represents humans on the Prolewiki page for humans.
Do you think there’s any woman that could represent humanity as well? Maybe Rosa or Nadezhda.
Good afternoon
has anyone read anything written by J Arch Getty, particularly The Road To Terror
He is still critical of Stalin. Getty is referenced a fair amount by pro-Stalin scholars like Grover Furr
found this rec on
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/s/AbOo7GVhZC
Sure! I love this history. Fitzpatrick and Getty are both "liberal" historians. I know Fitzpatrick came from a family of fellow travellers however. Her book *On Stalin's Team* is a great overview of the people who made up Stalin's inner circle from the 1920's up until his death. Some v amusing and heartwarming anecdotes in this one. Her book *Everyday Stalinism* is good as well. J Arch Getty has written extensively on the great purge and was one of the first historians in the West to question the absurdly high death tolls. His book *The Road to Terror* is the "revisionist" take on the purge which emphasises the from below and mass participatory elements. He is still critical of Stalin, however. Getty is referenced a fair amount by pro-Stalin scholars like Grover Furr lmao. Another book I'm currently reading is Terry Martin's *Affirmative Action Empire* about Soviet nationalities policy. It's great thus far. Other historians to check out: Ronald Suny, Stephen Cohen, and Lars Lih. Have also heard good things about David Priestland's work. Orlando Figes and Stephen Kotkin have shitty politics but their work is decent as well. I get lots of good recs from this substack: https://thestalinera.substack.com/. It's fairly pro-Stalin / pro-Soviet but grounded in the actual, verifiable history. The author is quite critical of Losurdo actually, who he sees as trying to hard to reconcile Stalinism with Dengism.I can’t remember my opinion on Getty specifically (I think mildly positive?), but my general opinion is any of them are as good as their sources, and anything between should be examined very critically (if not outright disregarded).
Fitzpatrick’s primary research, for example, is valuable for the perspectives of those she’s interviewing (which themselves have a subjective relationship with the truth, we can’t forget) or the effort she’s spent reading the archives. But she will also cite Conquest and the like. And as with all historians, she’ll have a couple paragraphs of exposition or narrative between actual cited data, exposition which has multiple problematic layers in relation to the truth. So when I’m reading anyone, I’m mostly focused on the skeleton of cited data, less on the skin of narrativization.
Casting a wide net is warranted due to this, rather than reading a single book cover to cover. Grab epubs off of libgen or wherever and don’t be afraid to follow a citation trail back.
Regarding whether being cited should give a historian legitimacy: not very much, at least in controversial topics or revisionist works. When someone is advancing a thesis or argument, citing a person that supports the opposing view is a strong tactic (like citing Fox News to a conservative), since it acts as a sort of immanent critique. So revisionist school historians like Getty and Fitzpatrick have a tactical reason to cite people in the totalitarian school, because that’s who they’re in conversation with. Similar for apologists/MLs opting to cite western academics. There’s often a difference between a source that is more likely to best approximate the truth and a source that your target audience would find compelling.
Someone trying to sapproach the truths as closely as possible will try to focus on sources as close to the event as possible. Someone trying to convince someone will focus on sources that resonate with the target audience. Someone trying to get published will focus on sources deemed acceptable by academia/industry. The latter two influences tend to dominate the first.
Most of this is blathering that actually symbolizes frustration at my inability to retain information (like anything specific about Getty, whose books are packed away somewhere with the rest of my library).
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east is a podcast youtube channel is suspended
ran by Iranian ml their podcast on apple podcasts is still up though

east is a podcast youtube channel is suspended
ran by Iranian ml their podcast on apple podcasts is still up though

The East is a podcast?
Zamn
I feel like Askreddit is mainly used for AI data collection nowadays
If it is, good. Their training data is going to be half filled with stupid questions about sex and dating, from what I can remember about askreddit the last I was there, several years ago.
Yeah I agree, it’s why I don’t check it out anymore. I remember being on a school computer checking the subreddit and almost all the posts were too inappropiate to open in public. Since then I never looked at Askreddit again. And I’m not a prudish person at all.
Good morning
Well, my unemployment is coming to an end. Maybe holiday is a better term because I wasn’t facing the danger of starvation or being homeless but technically I was unemployed for a few months. Nearly four months ago I was sitting at my desk and had enough. I stormed up to my boss his office and just said that I was quitting. Didn’t really have a plan.
I tried to go on a literal pilgrimage to Santiago but after some weeks of walking I didn’t like it so I went home. Took some more trips left and right on my own to figure things out. Maybe the entire journey of it all was the pilgrimage I was looking for.
I will have a blue collar job again after nearly a decade of working in an office. Curious to see how it goes.
What are some good substacks/medium pages. I just moved into a new apartment and the internet isn’t up yet (I have to pay for it) and i can’t watch youtube videos (it will deplete my phone data too much) so I want to do some reading
https://substack.com/@afterhistory
this one seems good.
Indi.ca is really good.
We lost three in our tiny village in as many days. Make the most of what and who you have.
I’m grateful I have this community and got to mind travel a little while with you fine people.
Have a wonderful week everyone!
As always, communism will win.
Thanks Cowbee. Hope you have a wonderful week as well.
A better world is possible.
Made a thread
A far right party opened their own school in The Netherlands today. Got 200k government support because ‘freedom of education’. They have a poster of Dutch colonies because they are proud of Dutch colonialism. One of their teachers was caught sending antisemitic messages on WhatsApp some time ago.
Currently a whopping number of four children attend the school. They need like 100+ more in a few years to keep getting subsidies.
Fascists love to complain about minorities getting handouts and then pull shit like this.
🫵 You WILL have hope, comrade.
Nothing can stop us, we’re on the way up.
Reminder to tell you to study HTML. Today, I discovered the
hgrouptag. It groups headings with other contents (like subtitles).











