We are, actually. We didn’t ask to exist. It was forced onto us by a cruel god that thought it would be neat to make humans.
If we think back to the dumpster baby, god created a child and threw them in a dumpster. For fun. It doesn’t get to wash its hands and say “I don’t owe them anything, it’s up to them to survive.” It’s still responsible for creation and it is derelict in its duty.
We are, actually. We didn’t ask to exist. It was forced onto us by a cruel god that thought it would be neat to make humans.
We aren’t owed nothing.
I’m going to take a hit and say I made a poor job at explaining myself and clarify that, for the creed I mentioned, the creator entity did not made humans. What the creator entity did was set off the unfolding of reality as we perceive it: the Universe. Humans contained within it are off shoots of causality.
There was never a direct nor directed intention to create humanity, thus, nothing is owed to it.
The premise is that anything to exist is better than nothing. If the Universe was to be populated with barren rocks and flaming balls of matter - which is, mostly - without humanity to perceive it that creation mythos was already fullfilled.
If we think back to the dumpster baby, god created a child and threw them in a dumpster. For fun. It doesn’t get to wash its hands and say “I don’t owe them anything, it’s up to them to survive.” It’s still responsible for creation and it is derelict in its duty.
That premise is the premise of the christian, islamic, jewish, and all other self appointed omnipotent creating entities. Those entities claim to have created humanity, in their image, to ocuppy a world they devised for that specific purpose. A world created in such a way that, nonetheless, humans make use of their own agency to tamper and distort.
I’m not a believer but that is the short and dirty version of those myths: the world was perfect, until humans decided they weren’t completely happy with it. Which leads us back to pointing fingers at the creator, for making a poor job.
That premise is the premise of the christian, islamic, jewish, and all other self appointed omnipotent creating entities.
Well, yeah, those are the gods I hate. I used the term “almighty” as a shorthand for “god that created literally everything.” They created everything including non-physical concepts like good and evil. You’re basically just describing a Big Bang with a personality, which isn’t really in the category of gods I hate. That god just made cool stars and rocks and stuff, it didn’t really make everything. Rather, the rocks spontaneously came to life and started suffering without input.
And… who made those?
And who made that!?
We are, actually. We didn’t ask to exist. It was forced onto us by a cruel god that thought it would be neat to make humans.
If we think back to the dumpster baby, god created a child and threw them in a dumpster. For fun. It doesn’t get to wash its hands and say “I don’t owe them anything, it’s up to them to survive.” It’s still responsible for creation and it is derelict in its duty.
We aren’t owed nothing.
I’m going to take a hit and say I made a poor job at explaining myself and clarify that, for the creed I mentioned, the creator entity did not made humans. What the creator entity did was set off the unfolding of reality as we perceive it: the Universe. Humans contained within it are off shoots of causality.
There was never a direct nor directed intention to create humanity, thus, nothing is owed to it.
The premise is that anything to exist is better than nothing. If the Universe was to be populated with barren rocks and flaming balls of matter - which is, mostly - without humanity to perceive it that creation mythos was already fullfilled.
That premise is the premise of the christian, islamic, jewish, and all other self appointed omnipotent creating entities. Those entities claim to have created humanity, in their image, to ocuppy a world they devised for that specific purpose. A world created in such a way that, nonetheless, humans make use of their own agency to tamper and distort.
I’m not a believer but that is the short and dirty version of those myths: the world was perfect, until humans decided they weren’t completely happy with it. Which leads us back to pointing fingers at the creator, for making a poor job.
This is a circular discussion.
Well, yeah, those are the gods I hate. I used the term “almighty” as a shorthand for “god that created literally everything.” They created everything including non-physical concepts like good and evil. You’re basically just describing a Big Bang with a personality, which isn’t really in the category of gods I hate. That god just made cool stars and rocks and stuff, it didn’t really make everything. Rather, the rocks spontaneously came to life and started suffering without input.
Nothing really deserves that much attention from you.
Reading that comment, the words you chose to express how you view reality, pains me as a human being.
I can’t imagine what you have been through in order to be weighed down with such a bleak view of life and the world.