• HorreC@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Wouldnt this take an act from the house, he cant just declare war with out a 3/4th majority. My USA law is rough but I thought presidential powers only allowed for actions in retaliation but starting shit took the whole of the nations law makers.

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      While it does take an act of congress to declare a war, the US has deployed troops, at the direction of the president, in all sorts of engagements for decades without declaring war. The last time Congress declared war was WW2. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and so much more were directed by the president.

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        Each of those you mentioned, except Korea, included Congress approval. Vietnam was approved by Congress with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (1964). Iraq was approved with the Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (2002). Afghanistan was approved by the Congress Joint Resolution (2001). I suppose it’s the fine line between “military force” and “war”.

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        But I thought if there was no reason (I.E. greenland isnt doing shit) does the pres still get authority to start a territory takeover (also I thought all states or commonwelths had to vote to enter into the USA).

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      They don’t have to define it as a war. Previous administrations have opened the route of not declaring war but still engaging in boots on the ground assaults. The precedent has been set, long before he entered office, and reinforced by every modern president.

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      Yes, the executive branch under MAGA control will abide by rules and norms, obey the law, respect institutions, and heed court rulings. Checks and balances are holding strong!

      We are safe from Fascism, so don’t worry!

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        No I dont think that but they would have to show their hand and the sheep wouldnt have a leg to stand on but just say hey we are ganna go ahead and do a hitler.

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          While that’s true, they don’t care. At this point, MAGA types openly don’t care about consistency, don’t care that they’re doing a Hitler, don’t care that they’re shredding the constitution, and these Scooby-Doo ass moments of yoinking the mask off and saying “a ha, so you WERE Hitler all along!” don’t matter one bit. What matters is consequences, and so far, there have been none.

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      I recall Prez can deploy troops for up to 100 days or some bs. I remember my elementary teacher saying its rare congress wouldn’t extend operation.

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        I get some of that, but isnt that is response, I didnt think they had the right to start war with another country that was peaceful to them

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          The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States.

          Pretty sure this what I was thinking of.