Tesla Model X Owner Has Had Enough Of Minimalism, Adds Physical Buttons::Tesla Model X owner from China has attached a panel of physical buttons to the vehicle’s main control unit for quicker access to some key functions.
Simce when is a giant computer screen glaring in your face considered minimalism? I would argue the buttons return the car to proper minimalism. So glad to see this! Can we just yank all of those screens out of future vehicles?
I dont think removing the screen complete is the right way around this. Having something that can display maps and more information is good. But it should have never become the only thing.
You need buttons and easy access to functions that are always available in easy to remember places. So that you aren’t spending attention away from the road when you want to change the fan control.
Fuck this bullshit touchscreen only nonsense, actual physical buttons are superior in a car.
As somone that lives in a dark sky rural area, the computer screen totally distracts and prevents your eyes from seeing the road where there are no streetlights. It is like driving with someone pointing a flashlight in your eyes that you can’t turn down.
Agreed. The screen should be an OLED so the blacks are actually off, and overall dim solely using easier colors at night, low intensity red hues are proven in Astronomy to not screw with your vision, for instance.
One of the first things I changed on my TLX when I got it was getting rid of the “blue everything” setting on the screens and going with a red interface and it made a world of difference.
It also does that in teslas, it automatically goes in to “dark mode” so it’s not a large white screen, reduces blue light and dims backlight on the screen when it’s dark outside.
Physical buttons are better for everything that you want to be able to control without looking at
Personally I think a good tactile display could fix this but I would prefer a voice control that really works more than any buttons. I’ve heard Teslas voice control is pretty good, but I have yet to be satisfied with any automobile voice control.
This aesthetic minimalism and there’s minimalism as lifestyle philosophy. Those two are not related and often contradict each other.
Ngl I want my dash to look like a fucking airliner. I love that my MINI interior looks like a personal space ship from a 90s movie. Give me moar toggles!
I want everything to be toggle switches. If I could get a keyboard made of 105 classic toggle switches it would be worth the effort to type with it.
The question is, do you want them to toggle ‘on’ and ‘off’, meaning switching them on is like holding down the key, or send impulses in each position? (obviously with a master switch to reset then without triggering something)
Meanwhile in my Volvo
Although it’s been this for a long while now
I know, I intentionally bought a 2017 so I would have physical buttons 😂
Thing is, I really wanted CarPlay / Android Auto support. Having had that with a 3rd party Alpine deck, I really got used to it. It’s hard to go back.
But, having some of those controls behind several menus and screens is really annoying. Oh well, at least it’s not a Telsa and I can turn the air vents manually.
I usually just prop my cellphone in front of the car’s screen if I don’t want to bother setting the car’s NAV and I only play two radio stations when I drive so it doesn’t bother me, but I understand what you’re saying (although my experience with Android auto wasn’t great).
Honestly I just wished the NAV could sync with my phone via Bluetooth even if it used Volvo’s map, that’s all I would need for it to be perfect.
I’m mostly in CarPlay land. Personally, I like that the car UIs are much more glanceable, have bigger touch targets that are easier to hit on a bumpy road, and default to voice control UIs for a lot of stuff. All in all, it feels safer to me and helps me keep my eyes on the road.
But once you get outside of controlling CP and AA for audio, messaging, and mapping apps, and you start talking about controlling the vehicle, I want physical buttons for common stuff.
My Volvo has some annoying collision detection sensors that I have to toggle off on certain roads, and going through menus to get to that is stupid.
At least they have physical buttons below the screen for media, hazards and heated windscreens & seats, plus all the steering wheel controls.
For now. The new Volvos are getting what they developed for Polestar. Android Automotive for the head unit platform, which is dope, but even fewer physical buttons on the dash. 😬
https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/08/the-volvo-ex30s-interior-is-the-ikea-take-on-teslas-playbook/amp/
My guess is that this will change though. I don’t even see hazards on the dash. I don’t think that’s even legal in a lot of places.
Edit: also, the current generation setup on Volvos has physical controls for audio, hazards, window defrost, lights, cruise, voice control, seat position, drive mode, and vent orientation. Seat temperature is on the screen next to climate controls.
Unfortunately that’s absolutely hideous.
Functional vs pretty… When it comes to something that affects safety I’ll take functional.
That’s totally fair and everyone has different preferences. But I really don’t think it needs to be a trade off at all. My ‘13 Focus has buttons for everything important in addition to the touch screen controls and they made it look nice too.
If I’m gonna spend XC60 money, I want the styling to be something I enjoy as much as I enjoy the rest of the car. This console might actually be a deal breaker for me if I were shopping.
What year model?
2017 xc60 in my case, it’s not exactly like that (I’ve got a couple of blanks this one doesn’t have) but they still had it up to 2018 in the S60 and V60.
Honestly surprised that Tesla allowed him to modify his car without charging him and extra $30,000 or something.
Yeah Teslas mostly seem like big integrated bricks of tech that you have to throw out if one part breaks, wouldn’t have expected this level of individual modification was possible. Now they just need to make this an option for everyone!
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This seems like a great idea to me. Touch screens are a terrible way to operate controls while driving. Some car companies have begun backing off from the trend and are moving back to buttons for some functions.
Touch screens are great for dynamic interfaces, but terrible for anything that involves feedback or a tactile experience.
My vehicle - though not a Tesla - still pisses me off that all the stereo controls except the power button are touch-based (even power appears to be a software-activated button as it failed once when the unit locked up). The saving point on my vehicle is that the steering controls (volume, prev/next) do still exist as physical buttons.
At the very least, they’re should be a physical on/off, and physical dials/controls for volume and heating adjustments so a driver can change those without taking eyes off the road.
One of the biggest non-problematic problems I have with newer cars is the lack of physical buttons. I also really dislike the trend of everything becoming minimalist, so I 100% support these types of modifications so long as they can be safely implemented.
Minimalism can be nice, but Tesla seems to do this just for cost savings. Didn’t they remove some “important” physical buttons from the steering wheel recently?
They removed all the stalks and the center horn button from the S/X and replaced them with capacitive touch buttons on the steering wheel and screen. It’s gone about as well as you might expect.
That seems just fucking dangerous. They are digital I am guessing? As a software engineer I really struggle to trust anything that another engineer can code 😅, at least for things that can kill me.
It absolutely is fucking dangerous, and annoying.
My Model 3 has both the best and the worst interfaces haha.
The column shifter I absolutely love because I don’t have to look at it to use it and it doesn’t take up space on my center console.
The scroll wheels similarly do not require eyes and can be used to control various operations based on context.
But I also have to take my eyes off the road to adjust the temp, seat/steering heaters, and have to go like 3 menus deep to get to the rear seat heaters (passengers can’t control them). Most notably, headlight and wiper controls only have virtual buttons and are hidden in a menu instead of being readily available on screen.
There’s the whole “mind of car view” that consumed 1/3 of your screen real estate, and is super cool for the first couple days of driving but after that it’s just a giant waste of space that could be used for these necessary controls.
I really have a love/hate relationship with this car.
I wonder how he did it. Can you program your Tesla ?
Programming your Tesla would mean that you upload software that your car runs. I think you can’t do that, but you should be allowed to.
As it’s a matter of public safety, and as part of a right to repair, all of the software that runs in cars should be open source, and should be able to be updated by the owner.
This is a terrible idea. What stops me from uploading a broken piece of shit fork that puts others at risk while I’m driving?
The same as every other thing that puts people at risk: consequences
The same thing that prevents you from putting in a piece of shit knockoff part that puts others at risk while you’re driving?
You’re desire to not die.
The law stops you. Open source just means that you can access the code and modify it. Open source does not mean that you have automatically met the legal requirements to certify that software for use on public roads. That would be an additional hurdle that any automotive software would have to pass. But, most legal systems are stone age compared to software development and any sufficiently new technology. Still, right to repair and open source does not mean that you can operate outside of regulations.
I believe the issue isn’t one of laws, but enforcement. If a person is physically capable of modifying the code their cars runs and then operating it on a public road, then someone will, illegal or not. That is what puts the lives of others at risk. Hell, I can already imagine websites where you can download untested mods to apply to cars that people will apply with no knowledge of how it works.
You could say the same thing about literally any aftermarket modification.
I was thinking more like scripts. You load scripts, it interprets them.
A script is a type of software, so that’s not really a big difference.
I don’t know about Tesla specifically, but if I was making a car that was intended to be moddable like this, I would have a hardware interface of some sort, and expect the mod to call a public API. This is similar to how cell phones can connect via USB and have some functionality.
Do you really think the average Joe has the knowledge to develop safe software for a car? Some things are okay to be proprietary imo, maybe with open documentation but not source.
You could absolutely standardize, certify, and isolate safety components
If the non-critical parts were scriptable like the infotainment system, then I could get behind it. Kind of like android I guess where you’re free to tinker, but you have to enable developer mode first so regular people can’t accidentally break something.
No but you can tap into and send signals over the CAN bus. I believe that’s how it works. They’re not the first to add controls.
I really want a formula one steering wheel. Give me a bunch of useful and programmable controls right next to my damn fingers.
No doubt in my mind they’ll remove you from the fast charge network if you plug this in the U.S. Even more now as this is making rounds online.
It is not a Model X in the video
You are right. It’s a model Y. I see no evidence of a Model X owner doing this in the article or video.
The article mentions it several times, but there is no evidence of it.
I read Tesla X owner and immedeately thought of Musk
I still think it’s theoretically possible to do a touch interface right… but nobody has figured it out yet. Any interaction that requires you to navigate between multiple menus while driving is doing it wrong, but if you could get all the relevant buttons on screen, in predictable enough locations that people can click them while driving, it could work….
But at that point I’m not sure there’s much benefit to the screen vs physical buttons.
Anytime I need to click on a touch button / non physical button I need to take my eyes off the road so I don’t click on other buttons wrongly… physical buttons in car is the way !
I want jackknife switches for every function, all wired to go chokBZAK and throw sparks at me every time I use my turn signal. Mad science maximalist aesthetics.
Thanks for the visual. This helps
I’m imagining a dashboard bristling with these, to control everything from door locks to wipers.
Maybe a few big red buttons and flashing toggle buttons too, case depending.
It’d be a horrible experience to drive, which is itself a net benefit.
It takes like 4 switches and a button to get the power into the back to open the trunk, all while you crackle maniacally in the grocery store parking lot. Also it needs to be struck by lightning first.
I must be in the minority. I hate loads of physical buttons with a passion. I had to get a rental recently and ordered a Jetta but the only car they had available when I landed was a Mercedes. I was pumped because I figured it’d be nice. I hated it. So many buttons all over the place with little hieroglyphs that meant nothing to me. Trying to find anything was impossible.
That being said, I never mess with the screen while driving. There’s nothing that I ever need to do that is so important I can’t wait until I hit a light or am in a safe spot, buttons or not.
Edit: This is so representative of Lemmy… simply having a different opinion or preference gets downvoted. The discussion on here is so much worse than Reddit was.
I hate loads of physical buttons with a passion.
I don’t think anyone wants that either. But there can be a balance of physical buttons you use while driving the car and virtual buttons to configure settings and other such things you don’t do often and/or don’t do while driving.
Things like turning on the headlights and wipers and shifting the vehicle should absolutely have physical controls.
Things like navigation and traction control should have virtual buttons.
There can be a balance.
