For the whole history of democratic primaries, the nominee was always the one that received the most votes. It probably of doesn’t have to be, but it always is. “they” in question are people of America who know more than nothing about how democracy in their country works.
Progressives are going to bitch and moan about how nobody does what they want, but will refuse to participate in the very process designed to ask them what they want.
It’s almost like some idiots on the internet don’t want change, they want to be oppressed.I’ve voted in every Democratic primary since I could vote for Kucinich. State and local, too. When does participation mean they care what I think?
There is a very lovely pattern I see. Every time there is a conversation on the internet, everyone totally always voted and participated and canvassed and run and also fed the homeless at the same time, and every time there are any elections upcomming, there is no end to the constant anti-democracy messages about how voting is pointless and nobody should do that because both sides.
In the end, around 20% of registered voters are voting in democratic primaries, and I repeat my thesis, every time the nominee was the person who got the most votes, every time. So the answer to your question - they already care what you think, and if more people were agreeing with you, then maybe they would do what you want. So far they’re doing what majority of voters wants, and that’s not on the shadowy democratic demons, it’s on majority.
Okay so I’m just never gonna be happy with my government because I’m too weird.
Maybe I should be an independent. Since I’m in a swing state they might actually care what I think.
That’s not how democracy in your country works. And because a bunch of people also don’t know that, you are in that situation.
Unless you learn how it works and will start working on it with this knowledge, you will indeed be unhappy, but it’s nit government’s fault, it’s yours for not educating yourself.You mean like the off-year, primary election ballot I have sitting on my table to be filled out?
I know how this shit works. I’ve been doing what people say to do for 25 years.
When will it start working?
Well, voting in primaries is more than most people are doing already, but it isn’t exactly what I meant.
I am talking more about strategic things people don’t understand. They believe that them throwing out their vote means something other than giving up the power to the conservatives. They believe that giving power to conservatives somehow helps propagating progressive ideas. They believe in magical thinking of “I ticked the box, where is my cookie”. They completely forget about local elections.
Then they say braindead shit like “if I vote third party in a swing state it will help my goal” with no shred of irony.See, I only throw my vote away on primary candidates who lose and Democrats who also lose to republicans.
I also never expect anything for voting, let alone a cookie, because I no longer believe voting works.
And I don’t have to worry about giving republicans power because they just take it anyway since democrats have no cohesion.
Really, how do we get viable third parties? How do we change the voting system to not have " spoiler candidates "? The binary is rotting us.
how do we get viable third parties?
By having a third party that’s willing to put in the work and do things the right way.
So, instead of having a do-nothing candidate like Jill Stein who shows up right before every election, then disappears again after only obtaining a half of a single percent of the total votes, we’d have to have a third party that started focusing on winning local/state elections. That would allow them to start having more than ZERO members in the houses of Congress, which is currently the case. And once they have members in Congress, from various districts around the country, then they’d have a real chance at running a presidential candidate who can win.
Make no mistake. Anyone that currently votes for a 3rd party candidate for president is an utter fool. And there are A LOT of them on Lemmy. A 3rd party cannot win. They are nowhere near winning. Because they haven’t put in the work to create a coalition to actually start having a presence in our government.
Don’t neglect that Stein was a Russian plant to spoil the election. Follow the money and Stein’s activities pre and post election.
They will.
They’re stupid people.
Of course they will. Liberalism is a center-right ideology, they’re closer to fascists than leftists.
so you’ll campaign against them for one reason or another and help trump to a historic third term?
This is why the primary will be so important, and why Biden basically handed the win to Trump by pushing Harris instead of having a primary.
Maybe, but the only way I can believe that is if we believe Biden was a far better candidate that Harris. Biden mopped the floor in the Democrats primaries everywhere they were held. Florida and Delaware were the only states that didn’t hold them if I remember, and Biden had something like 87% of the votes for Democrats. We say they meaningless, but the last time the Democrats were in the same position was 2012 voting in an incumbent. Obama got 2/3rds the votes that Biden did. 8 million, vs the 12 million votes for Biden.
The delegates could have flipped when Biden left but didn’t. Its a much higher likelyhood that there the issue was more people were not willing to vote for her for being a woman or being black. If people think that 1-2% of the voters aren’t racist or sexist in Georgia, Michigan etc they are off their rocker. A 1-2% moved from Democrat to Republican vote was enough to lose states like that.
So if Biden had not run at all, and sent it to Primaries, would that percentage have been enough to get her not to win the primary? I kind of doubt it.
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It’ll be Shapiro or Blinken. Its still all about the $$ at the DNC. Nothing else matters.
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They probably like Newsom even more after he sat down and platformed Bannon and Kirk, as if giving a voice to open and unashamed Nazis isn’t disqualifying.
If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we’re fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.
Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?
Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren’t really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it’s more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: “we’re not the Republicans”.
I’m not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.
To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We’re all in the position we’re in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn’t be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn’t stolen.
That being said, all these older people that don’t seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don’t know if it’s because they’re really old or out of touch or what. There’s a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn’t helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.
It’s because the democrats simply cannot fund-raise on the kind of populist progressive policy Americans actually want.
Democrats are up schitt’s creek without a paddle - they can’t fund-raise without the support of the large donor-class, and their increasingly populist progressive base are simply not satisfied by the kind of economic policies those donors are desperate to preserve.
If democrats stay this course they will never hold more than 45% of congress again and only win the white house maybe once every 3 or 4 terms.
I’ve brought it up on other Lemmy comments, but one thing I really want to work on with messaging is “Eat the rich”.
Case in point: Elon Musk is evil. He’s a toe-sucking narcissist who can’t stand that South Africa ended apartheid. He’s a loser that can’t beat the first Path of Exile boss. He’s…make up your own insult, and I’ll likely echo it. But what I can’t stand is commenters saying that anyone and everyone possessing as much money as him is equally evil. Basically the equivalent of so many school “Zero tolerance” policies.
Musk is evil for his actions, not just for personality. Yes, a large number of rich people are also evil - there’s logic behind that venn intersection. But capitalism is our system, even if we decide we want to start changing it. Past the big names of horrible people that have lobbied the system for their own interests, many rich people are just…quiet outside of their main successful ventures. One very ready playbook of the far right is to point out how many Democrats - even honest ones that have made excellent changes - are evil simply for having net worth in the millions. As long as “Eat the rich” is a popular slogan, it tends to work, and convince donors that progressives are out to hunt them down with axes.
My take on a better message would be: We all want a better world. Have you ever wandered the streets of venice, wishing you could have that nice communal feel back in America - unburdened by homeless people, dirty streets, or traffic? This is our goal. House the homeless. Clean the streets, and encourage recycling. Put people on public transit. Progressives will tax you more to make that work, but will make a better world for it; one where people don’t need to hire private security to protect from betrayed employees, or shelter in an SUV to go two blocks. If you’re a businessman, vote Republican. If you’re an honest businessman, vote Democrat.
The message could use some work, but perhaps you get the idea.
But what I can’t stand is commenters saying that anyone and everyone possessing as much money as him is equally evil. Basically the equivalent of so many school “Zero tolerance” policies.
The existence of billionaires while millions of people are starving and homeless is the evil those commenters are pointing to.
Almost as if those people are upset about a system that valorizes and encourages immense wealth inequality, and not, like, which people get to be billionaires.
I highly recommend reading Ezra Klein’s latest book “Abundance” for a look at why the DNC has been losing the working class. It also offers some optimistic ideas for moving forward.
Friendly reminder that the goal behind posting memes like this is to instill a sense of cynicism and discourage political participation from people who hold progressive values. A key indicator here is the use of the nefarious-but-nebulous “they” which is commonly used in antisemitic-coded “globalist” or “cabal” conspiracy theories.
Democracy in America is unequal and unfair but the “deep state” the way conspiracy theorist portray it is simply not real.
You overcooked this one dawg. Just an easy dunk on the incompetence of the DNC.
Nope. You heard him. You hate jews.
Accusing OP of posting crypto-antisemitism for using the word “they” in the title of a post that has an extremely clear, literally labeled target (the DNC, if you look at the second panel) feels extremely disingenuous.
