• Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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    The entirety of history also shows that a whole lot of people need to be ready to die for the cause for social change to happen.

    So, still feeling up for it?

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      That is the question:

      live in an unjust and amoral society

      or die trying to make a righteous one.

      The stoics, at least Seneca, opted for the former.

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        He really wasn’t given much of a choice. He just chose his stance on the one option he had.

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          Seneca was one of the wealthiest Romans of his time.

          He more than 99% of the Empire had a choice. He happened to be rich and choose status quo. Who ever would have guessed that ?

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        or die trying to make a righteous one.

        . . . and realize that your new, righteous society will quickly collapse into corruption and amorality because a society is filled with people.

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      a whole lot of people need to be ready to die for the cause for social change to happen.

      For the change to not happen, a whole lot of people need to be ready to keep dying from the status quo. It’s incredible that some people still think a war isn’t being waged when we don’t resist the oppression and exploitation. Here you are implying those who are ready to fight for themselves—and for you!—are your enemies, when your real enemies know the lesson you refuse to learn:

      There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.

      —Warren Buffett

      So, still feeling like leaving us all to continue being slowly murdered as you sit and do nothing?

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          Nope. That’s really not the question, in fact. What a shitty, boring, “utilitarian” view of the struggle for liberation. Why are you even in this community, liberal?

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            Yes, it’s exactly the question that needs to be asked in relation to my original argument. If people feel that more will die from a revolution than from the status quo then good luck convincing people to increase their chance to die.

            Heck, the fact that we’re here and able to discuss this in the first place shows how spoiled we are even if things aren’t as good as they could be. People that are really poor don’t have a computer or a cellphone to communicate on a niche website.

            People in first world countries are walking with a pebble in their shoe and some are complaining that we need to stop and remove it, the majority doesn’t care when they see people from third world countries walking with a broken foot.