“if someone disagrees im muting them” is the cry of someone i dont need to hear anything from
It’s even worse on websites where OPs can delete comments arbitrarily
The entitled American (and I’m an American myself). My country has fostered mentalities and behaviors that I can’t stand. We act like the planet owes us everything. Obviously not everyone is like this, but America has a unique brand of entitlement that I’ve witnessed pour out of both right-wingers ans even the most leftist people. I witnessed a local well-known white pro-Palestine activist refuse to participate in a march for the black community because police were present. They didn’t stop to think “this is lead by and represents them—I should stay to support their actions.”
No one is safe from being an entitled asshole and it’s healthy to have a reality check sometimes. Not everything is about America.
It’s fine if OOP hates South Park. It’s a divisive show. However, dark humor is indeed a valuable thing. Yes, sometimes assholes call sexism, racism, homophobia (etc) “dark humor” in an attempt to excuse what they know is wrong, but that doesn’t mean that the concept of dark humor is flawed.
Dark humor is often used to mock and/or point out hypocrisy. Sometimes it deliberately makes us uncomfortable. We should always reflect on ourselves and our culture as a whole. That’s a vital part of becoming a better person.
If OOP chose to “mute” me for expressing that opinion, I don’t think I’d be missing much.
The inherent problem with any satire labeled as “dark” is that people generally lack the ability to determine it as a satirical work of art.
In general I think it’s a valuable form of art. However, if you don’t hammer the point that you are actively mocking your target of satire and disavow the audience who are mistakenly attracted to it, then I think it can do more harm than good.
I think this is where I am on the fence with it when it comes to some comedians who claim they are engaging in dark works of satire, but are comfortable with having a large portion of their audience being right winged chuds who don’t understand its satire.
This transgresses pretty much all works of satire. A good example being the 40k franchise, which started out as a satirical commentary against fascism, specifically against Thatcherism. Eventually they had a large contingency of people who are unironically fans of the Empire. Though they have recently taken steps to mitigate this, they did spend decades making money from these types of people.
I think the only unifying theme to South Park is that everything can be funny.
I would say that generally the characters with the least power are treated in the most sympathetic way, though, and those with the most power are painted with the worst brush.
They do have a sense of good and evil, but also acknowledge that evil is often given free reign because good people have a hard time organizing and gaining consensus as to what needs to be done about it.
The one thing they do is skewer pomp and pretension. They are the guys at a dinner party who say “everybody poops so why can’t we talk about it?” Or will ask the minister about his sex life if he asks about their relationship to God.
It can be genuinely stupid and annoying sometimes because it’s a blunt instrument. They assume that everything is fine and that anyone passionate about a cause is a misguided idiot.
I think some of the episodes have put light on things that need it. Scientology spring to mind.
Honestly, this.
No one is above reproach and they stay on the pulse.
However, I find the humor dated. It’s like if Jim Carrey did 30 sequels to Ace Ventura.
The Ace Ventura one is particularly apt because the one group they still punched down on a lot was trans people…
Humour of color
Ftfy
It’s pretty dated. It had its moment, but it’s legacy entertainment at this point.
These guys are already so super rich, I just don’t see the point of beating your beloved creation into the ground ruining it’s legacy but it’s not my business I guess.
Thei did have an entire season saying “#cancelsouthpark” every episode. They say in interviews that they don’t take it seriously but people keep paying so they will keep making whatever they want
I guess it’s something to do
Because they enjoy doing it. Look at the number of musical performers who keep going long after their cultural moment has passed. Hell I know people who keep playing and writing and painting even though no has ever paid attention.
I suppose, they just have been doing it so long that it didn’t seem like an art anymore, but it still is commercial as it may be. I would just be supremely bored but they are obviously not so good for them. I make music mostly for myself as well nowadays.
Bob Dylan won the Nobel Prize for literature. There are a lot of albums of his I’d consider unlistenable. I don’t think he cares what I think. He doesn’t care what the Nobel committee thinks either since he didn’t show up.
His lyrics have always been on point though, sure I think that’s generally true of most musicians, at least successful ones, to listen to your muse and not care. Or any artist for that matter. I suppose in my mind I am separating what I feel is a overrated cartoon from other art we’re talking about. That’s just my opinion.
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Sure, but it’s too little too late.
The main ethos of South Park is “if you care about something you’re a loser”. Which is fine if you are a show that airs when things are, generally speaking, going well. The moment serious issues entered the picture, whether climate change or 9/11 and GWOT, they fell flat on their face.
And it took them twenty years to get up.
And that is why they are legacy losers.
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You are a thoroughly unpleasant person to interact with. I’m not going to make this mistake again.
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Oh no, please don’t mute me, you mirthless twat.
Ok, so when trying to explain it. You will mute me… Great start of the convo ;-)
Gotta love those people.
“Anyone trying to use the obvious rational argument will be blocked!”
South Park isn’t exactly homophobic, it seems to treat homosexual and transexual characters such as Ms. Garrison with more respect than the rest of the cast, tbh.
The jokes kind of stem from this idea that if something is different than the expectation then that makes it funny, including societal expectations like omission of poop or sexuality: like when Tad Mikowski gets distracted by [CENSORED FROM RERUNS] from the movie Total Recall.
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What I know about South Park:
- Its creators are libertarians
- There’s an episode which may have promoted climate change denialism
- The show may have also contributed to ‘both sides same’ idiocy
Doesn’t seem like my cup of tea tbh.
Sure, but, if I recall, Gore was mocked for being afraid of man-bear-pig, their stand-in for Climate Change, but later man-bear-pig showed up started killing people, which is the show’s mea culpa.
Two of the hallmarks of both sides media is they never admit they were wrong and they invariably serve their power structure while pretending to be independent thinkers. Examples of this are the entire foreign policy establishment that cheerled the obviously disastrous Iraq war (while anyone against the obviously disastrous Iraq war was drummed out for not being serious), and Ezra Klein’s recent turnaround on Israel due to “new facts” from 60 years ago that he just learned (coinciding with a massive drop in Israel’s popularity and masterminding an obviously disastrous Iran war).
South Park admits they were wrong and they absolutely go up against power structures, so I throwing them in the “both sides” propaganda apparatus bucket is just wrong.
Not encouraging you to watch it, but this…
The show may have also contributed to ‘both sides same’ idiocy
Is kind of hilarious. I’m going to assume this is because of douche vs turd (aired 2004). It does mock both parties, but do you honestly think that the democrats never put out a bad candidate? Do you even remember who ran for dems in 2004 without looking it up? Don’t you think it’s an actual problem that most of the time a lot of people don’t actually like the candidates?
There is a deep problem in American politics, so a comedy show makes fun of it. And you turn around and blame the show for causing the problem. To be honest it is absolutely no surprise that your country is going to shit.
And just to clarify:
When Obama won, most adult characters that people like were celebrating for days. Like continuously.
When Trump ran the first time, they mocked him by replacing him with an awful existing character who ran on the platform of literally fucking all immigrants to death and had no idea what he was doing. Hilary was just… kind of shit. It’s incredibly obvious: one is awful, the other is uninspiring. Like real life where she actually managed to lose.
And in the most recent season they went harder against Trump than they ever have about a politician. He spent most of it cheating on his wife with literal Satan and trying to abort the baby with the help of Peter Theil.
In contrast, they didn’t even mock Biden as far as I recall?
Sorry to say you’ve been misled by someone who has another reason to dislike the show (or more likely, who also hasn’t watched the show)
To be fair, trump did lose the popular vote by 2% his first term. He also said he cheated the second time, I believe him.
Lol but only winning the popular vote by 2% against a patently idiotic, unqualified pedophile and rapist seems like a disaster on its own.
Since when was believing him a good idea? I think without some substantial evidence, the 2024 election deniers are just like the 2020 election deniers. We should absolutely look into it. But no evidence is no evidence any way you cut it.
Everyone points out that Kamala got no votes in a specific (NY?) county but it’s a religious community that is basically told how to vote by religious leaders. This is only from memory so feel free to correct/provide further evidence
Wow, an outdated oversimplification and two “may haves” to sum up a show with almost 340 episodes (plus 2 full, plot-heavy video games and a feature film) over the last 3 decades.
Seems like your ‘cup of tea’ would be better described as a Dixie cup of lukewarm tap water with a single, uncut lemon seed. All those other flavors like Chai, Oolong, or Earl Grey? Nah, those are WAYYY too spicy and scawy! Heaven forbid you go out and ask an actual fan–or Hell, anyone who’s seen even one episode–instead of lightly skimming the Controversies section of their Wikipedia page
Nah. Fuck south park and fuck its fan base.
Is your username a portal reference? Because from what I’ve heard that game is super fucking sexist. It’s like a misogyny simulator, right? Chell constantly getting insulted for her weight and intelligence by some machine probably programmed by a man. How could someone be so sexist as to even like that game?
That is what you sound like talking about South Park.
Ah yes, the tried and tested “LALALALALA I’M NOT LISTENING LALALALALA” defense. Truly a classic
U mad?
Not really? If anything, I’m more mad at how the point was presented rather than its conclusion. There are plenty of reasons to not like the show if one is so inclined, but simply saying “one episode may have contributed to ‘both sides equal’ idiocy” is just a terrible argument to make, even if it were true which is, to put it mildly, quite a stretch.
Nah, you dumb.
That’s not me, you dipshit. Is this what a South Park fan like? Cup of tea, more like turd water from the toilet bowl.
You don’t need to politically agree with every joke you enjoy
I’m not going to discuss or argue about that statement about a show which I haven’t watched and don’t feel like watching (because what I know about it and its creators).
You have formulated opinions about the show that are clearly based on someone else’s opinions, and then admit exactly that but aren’t willing to discuss it. You would’ve been better off driving right by this post.
It’s amazing how butthurt sp fans are. If anything you guys are proving me right for not watching that shite.
Am I misunderstanding? What is the point of a comment saying you won’t discuss it.
They’re just upset someone posted their tweet on here.
You don’t know very much, then. You have no idea if it’s your cup of tea… And that’s OK too, lotsa media out there. Can’t watch it all.
That was in the past though, they’ve changed tune since then.
In other words: Made lotta money -> went to the libertarian right -> got into hot water because they ofended rightwing nuts -> one step back to the left.
Wow, the real hallmark of principled ideals 🙄
People are allowed to change their minds
Cha cha real smooth
Dark humor
