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Brexit is the UK’s “electing trump” moment. Lost credibility is not easily regained.
They won’t get a special deal like last time either. They’ll have to switch to the Euro like everyone else.
Except the glorious kingdom of Denmark!
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One small step for Europe, one giant leap backwards for Great Britain.
I wish polls would ask these three questions to see how much they really want to rejoin the EU?
- Do you want to rejoin the EU?
- Are you willing to adopt the Euro?
- Are you in support of freedom of movement between countries? (I.e. the Schengen Zone)
My gut says people want to “roll it back” as in “go back to the sweetheart deal we had”, not realizing that option is long gone and the only option is to rejoin from scratch. I’d be curious what that type of support looks like.
Joining the euro isn’t as big a deal as some people would have you believe. You just promise you will some day, then kick the can indefinitely.
Iirc you have to agree to adopt the euro once you meet a particular set of criteria, so countries who don’t want to join just make sure they don’t meet the criteria.
Very true, Brits might be more sceptical about rejoining the EU if adopting the Euro were a condition.
Also, freedom of movement is a slightly different thing to the Schengen Area. The UK previously had freedom of movement with the EU (allowing EU citizens to live and work in any EU country) but the UK was not in the Schengen Area (where border controls are minimised, allowing passport-free travel). Because the UK was not in the Schengen Area, a passport needed to be shown when moving between the UK and any Schengen country.
Freedom of movement is definitely a condition of being in the EU. I don’t know if the UK would be required to join the Schengen Area though. Ireland and Cyprus are two EU countries outside of the Schengen Area: Ireland apparently is not obliged to join it, but Cyprus is.
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That’s a nice, racist dog whistle you fucking loser.
Fuck off. You’re not welcome here.
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I mean, he’s not wrong. My first thought with your reasoning is that you’re racist. He just called you out on it. You looked and quacked like one.
Less of you, please.
Fuck off. I will haunt you as long as you’re spreading your hatred here.
Notice how it’s only brown people you’ve posted articles about? Fucking shocking!
I think what you’re thinking of is a limited free trade agreement. The UK is free to pursue one of those. The UK would probably have to play by EU rules regarding things like product standards (with little say in what those rules are) but free trade without freedom of movement is absolutely doable.
A military alliance is also no problem.
Anything beyond that is going to be difficult, though. For countries joining the EU after it’s inception, points 2 and 3 are hard requirements. The UK doesn’t have much to offer that would justify giving it special treatment.
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You can’t be part of the club if you don’t play by the rules. Sorry you don’t like immigrants or whatever.
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Someone fell for the propaganda, but doesn’t like the results of things.
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Your position seems very similar to that which resulted in No Deal Brexit in the first place.
The EU was pretty sure they didn’t need you. Now they know they don’t need you.
Why would they give you things now that you were denied then?
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Some people need to have consequences in order to learn, I guess.
The vote was only 52% to 48%. It wouldn’t take much to get a swing from majority Brexit to majority Remain.
Also, the Brexit vote never defined what state that the UK would leave in while the Brexit camp was arguing for all forms of post EU relationships at once.
Nope. Most leave voters were old, so enough of them have died that the razor thin leave majority they created evaporated.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2016-eu-referendum
The majority of the people oppose the Will Of The People
Calling Brexit “the will of the people” was the most bollocks statement ever.
Not sure if the time is right as the politicians and the people who took the UK out of the EU are now busy working towards taking us out of humanity.
Why would they take you back?
Same reason they might consider letting Canada in. It bolsters the bloc’s economic and military power much more than letting small Eastern European nations in, and we’re culturally compatible despite being massive jerks (the French and Germans are massive jerks too).
Barely half the voters wanted Brexit in the first place. And a non-insignificant amount of those who did only did it for a laugh cause they thought it’d fail.
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Labour will oppose this in their lifetime because they want to win elections first and they’re heavily reliant on Brexit voters to do so. The Tories will do the same for the same (and even more) reasons. That leaves you with a minority of MPs standing with parties that are even close to offering this.
You’re going to have to choose people. EU or Labour + Tories?
Remind me again about why Labour has to appeal to the minority opinion to win an election?
I mean, sure, pandering to fascists has been a winning strategy for them in the polls recently.
/S
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