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Having the measles sucks.
I had the measles, then chicken pox, and finally strep throat, just for fun, one right after the other when I was a kid. April 1975. I know exactly when it was, because I remember laying on the couch, watching TV and learning that the Vietnam War had ended. I thought to myself, ‘I didn’t know we were at war.’
Good thing there’s no major sporting events being held in the US any time soon 😐
if you are in a ROOM with someone with measles, theres an 80% chance you walk out with measles, 10-20 minutes after the person has LEFT
get your shots
Back in the day, when you got measles as a kid, you needed to be locked in a dark, quiet room, ALONE for WEEKS on end, 8 yo timmy effectively had to endure solitary confinement for going outside
That sounds so nice, but I know it isn’t.
Why did the room need to be dark though?
youd get splitting headaches if there was a light in the room
family guy did an episode about measles, i think people should watch that, they ended up quarantining the whole town.
they ended up quarantining the whole town.
Well that’s unrealistic. Americans don’t believe in quarantines we know that.
leopards can tag in the LIONS, CHEETAhs, servals, caracals, wild dogs, and jackals.
There are still two groups of people for whom bullying is still acceptable, and strongly encouraged: MAGAs, and Anti-Vaxxers. Also, Flat Earthers, but they probably belong to one of the first groups.
I understand the anger but with anti-vaxxers specifically I think there’s a case to be made that focusing too much on the failure of individuals to make properly informed decisions can distract from the systemic causes of the increase of anti-vax sentiment. There has been a decline of trust in institutions resulting from decades of austerity and exploitative practices. Big pharma, the insurance industry, and the scientific community are conflated by popular figures in the grifter economy so that people turn to them for medical help and knowledge instead of doctors, and our education system - having also been eroded by austerity - does little to prepare people for the abundance of disinformation. Combine this with those same grifters gaining legitimacy by becoming involved in government and I’m honestly surprised the problem isn’t worse than it is.
Your anger is justified but it is better directed at the grifters spreading the lies than the marks who believe them.
our education system - having also been eroded by austerity - does little to prepare people for the abundance of disinformation.
You are talking about Critical Thinking Skills, one of my favorite subjects, and you make an excellent point. There are grifters who like to twist our large systems, and connect dots that aren’t meant to be connected, and create a picture that doesn’t really exist.
But we’re all in the same boat, and most of us make the right decisions, so I’m not so willing to let the Anti-Vaxxers off the hook so easily. This is an important issue for all society, and to endanger society because you don’t want to employ proper, basic Critical Thinking Skills, is irresponsible to your fellow citizens, especially the youngest ones, who are going to bear the brunt of their Anti-Vaxx adventure.
I get the feeling but bullying is never ok even for people you don’t like.
Dumbass liberal take.
The unwritten rules of society rely on people acting in good faith. If someone just honestly believes that the moon landing was fake or fairies are real or whatever, cool, I don’t really give a fuck.
As soon as your dipshit beliefs start negatively impacting other people, especially when they’re provably false, you invite any and all criticism. The social contract is broken.
This is just the paradox of tolerance except “bullying is bad”
There’s a difference between criticism and bullying. Criticism can be constructive and help people to change. Bullying just isolates and alienates people and tends to calcify their positions.
It’s all a matter of what we want. Do we want to feel superior? That’s what bullying is for. Do we want to help people change their ways? Then go for constructive criticism.
Another dumbass liberal take.
Fascists are winning everywhere because of tolerant morons like you.
Not all ideas are valid. Again, if you break the social contract by spreading harmful misinformation, all bets are off. You deserve to be alienated and cast out of society. That’s how a social contract works.
Okay, let me put this in the language of bullying, so you can understand it.
I’m not a liberal, you fucking dipshit, and I’m not tolerant towards harmful ideologies, I’m just smart enough to recognize the fucking reality: you need a theory of change, to actually change things. Are you seriously fucking stupid enough to believe that calling someone names will change their minds, you fucking moron?
Did that work? Are you convinced? No? Oh well maybe your approach is fucking stupid, then, and you need to learn from someone who actually has deradicalized nazis before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law
It’s not my job to debate with morons. It’s a waste of time and energy.
You know, there’s no shame in admitting you were wrong. If anything, being able to admit when one was wrong is an admirable trait.
YOU are the problem. It is always permissible to resist evil, destructive people in any and all ways possible. The Democrat obsession with being polite to their enemies is nearly as destructive to society as MAGA.
you don’t need to be polite or show respect. thats earned. but bullying. no in that situation you are the problem. that does not mean you also don’t challenge them or defend yourself. sure though if you think im the problem go for it.
Bullying, by definition, requires that the oppressor is in a position of power over their victim and punching down. As these people have it in their power to prevent the spread of a painful and deadly disease but chose to ignore their responsibility to the rest of society to do so, we are challenging their mindset and defending ourselves (and others) from their selfishness. Belittling and mocking them isn’t bullying them, it’s insulting them. If we were bullies we’d browbeat and force them to take vax while delivering a swirly ‘cus they’re fucking dorks.
Belittling and mocking them isn’t bullying them, it’s insulting them.
I get where you’re coming from. The question is, do you want to help anti-vaxxers change, and stop being anti-vaxxers, or do you just want to feel superior to them?
If you want them to change, I really encourage you to think yourself about times in your own life where someone else successfully encouraged you to change their mind. Did they do so by mocking and belittling you, or did they do it with kindness and by helping you understand your mistakes in a way that didn’t make you feel rejected?
do you want to help anti-vaxxers change, and stop being anti-vaxxers, or do you just want to feel superior to them?
Depends on the person and the situation. This isn’t some hypothetical, far reaching discussion about why they should recycle to prevent future global warming. Look at the picture attached to the post. There’s a kid suffering from measles because some adult in their life wouldn’t use the reality of science and reason and put that kid in the position they’re in. If adults with all those tools and learning want to expose themselves to preventable consequences; fine. That’s your choice, and while I think you’re an idiot, by all means, ignore history, logic, and reality and suffer your consequences. Die. I’m not going to save you in the face of all that.
Did they do so by mocking and belittling you, or did they do it with kindness and by helping you understand your mistakes in a way that didn’t make you feel rejected?
Both. I’m far from perfect or ideal. I’ve done things that were selfish and had both the rejection of strangers and the support of individuals who same some kernel of personal humanity in spite of my behavior and backed the idea I could change even when it seemed like I couldn’t, had hurt others, and was otherwise not a benefit to society. But I also used that opportunity to self-reflect and try, sometimes unsuccessfully, to grow and change. I will always fight to give people who have a spark of that the opportunity and time to change. There’s people covered in swastika tattoos who’ve realized their error and try to work beyond the people they’ve been. There’s murderers and rapists who grew up in environments of victimization and passed that on once they became adults because it’s the only lesson they got about how one treats others. My beef isn’t with the victims of bad lessons who are struggling but willing to learn from the consequences of their actions. It’s with the ones that continue to use their past as an excuse to justify their current behavior, and especially those who are aware of reality but don’t care because they have the power and ability to dodge the consequences of what they’re doing but have no concern if it affects another.
Right, this is what I’m getting at. Bullying people and treating them like shit will not help them self-reflect and change. To achieve that, we need to extend that support you mentioned, we need to somehow see the kernel of personal humanity within them.
Like you said, this isn’t a problem where the consequences are confined to individuals, adults acting poorly is causing innocent children to suffer and die, so we need to focus on solutions. This isn’t like these people believe in Flat Earth, if we just sit around mocking and belittling these people, more innocents will die at faster rates.
We need to collectively swallow our (totally justified) anger and find some kind of a way to understand the root reason of why people are anti-vaxx, and help them resolve whatever broken logic or unresolved emotional issues is standing in the way of them doing the right thing.
I don’t give a fuck about changing their minds, only their behaviour
They can take a vaccine and then whine, or put half a potato on it, or claim to be magnetic now
Just so long as the stupid cunts get vaccinated to protect the most vulnerable people in our society
Okay, so your options there are either to force them to have vaccinations, which would be a violation of their human rights, or to change their minds so that they voluntarily get vaccinations.
Remember, these people are generally just acting out of fear and ignorance. Treating them poorly won’t change their behaviour, it’ll only alienate them further from the rest of society.
Bullying people is a completely ineffective means of changing behaviour. It’s actually likely to make them dig their heels in further and become even more entrenched in their views just out of pure opposition to their perceived enemies.
Exactly. bulling is unacceptable but not bullying is ok.
If they were being bullied we’d be forcing them to take the vaccine.
Im not sure I would call that bullying. Its a mandate for a public but it becomes muddled because some people legitamately can not get a vaccine and there can be side effects no matter how minor (especially in comparison to the disease). Which is why ultimately its best to make it super prevalent. We should make it free for everyone who wants it every year and have it updated if we want more people to have more up to date resistance.
MAGAs and Anti-Vaxxers are societal evil and deserve nothing but universal condemnation.
They didn’t mention just people they don’t like though, they mentioned objectively bad people. Same with Nazis, Racists, Pedophiles, Rapists etc. They’re bad, it’s not a like or dislike thing, just pure truth of shitty people that deserve bullying.
Bully implies a lack of objectivity. Bring them to justice to make a legal decision on wrong which is about the best objective communal take we can get.
No, tolerance of intolerance is a failing strategy
not bullying is not tolerance.
Do you see the fucking picture? Do you understand that this isn’t a joke, that they’ve successfully brought back measles?
Bully them for their beliefs. They should be shamed out of existence.
taking them out of existence permanently is also not ok for some people.
I don’t care. You can join them if your answer is to simply let them continue destroying the planet.
thats fine but if you want to make everyone your enemies you will have a tough time of it. I mean go for it. Kill, maime, murder and let me know if you improved the world. I will march and not comply and insist. It may work or not but I won’t hurt anyone. that is just not going to happen. I will challenge. I will even mock. But there are limits.
Are you suggesting a bully people I do like because that seems kind of productive.
the rash isnt even the worst part, its the panechepalitis that can lie dormant in younger children, which is more lethal.
panencephalitis*
I did not know what this was, fortunately panechepalitis is not terribly far off lol
Too many stupid people enjoying comforts under the protection of our sciences, while simultaneously selectively rejecting the very thing providing said comforts and protections. I have no more empathy left for them.
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by
men with gunsdoctors with syringes. Who’s gonna do it? You? You,Lieutenant Weinberg?Jenny McCarthy? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep forSantiagonatural immunity, and you curse theMarinesvaccine. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know – thatSantiago’s deathpreventable diseases extinction, whiletragicnecessary,probably savedsaves lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.free riders doing their best to wreck the bus
Such a dumb fucking nation
We deserve to fail
Humanity is not worth saving
The blistering on the skin, yikes. I am fortunate to have parents that did not fuck around with vaccines and allowed medicine to do their work.
The good thing about this is that it will remind people why we were vaccinating in the first place, complacency, attention span and all that needs a reset now and then.
Meh, natural selection at its finest… Poor kids, though… forced to be born in a 1700’s bubble
This is completely removed from natural selection. We didn’t evolve vaccination, we invented it. Another measles outbreak is just more needlessly sick people.
I meant, selection over mental or social configuration.
Vaccinated people can get the measles.
I didn’t know that! Is the intensity of the illness the same?
My point is that it’s extraordinarily cold of you to imply that all contractions of the measles are instances of natural selection.
Oh… well, it was more like a general observation: not all hawks that starve to death have small claws, but it is likely that those with small claws will greatly contribute to the toll. (analogy pulled out of my ass)
So? Unvaccinated people get the measles more frequently and suffer worse consequences. The problem is the quantities involved.
I’d love if the US were entirely quarantined, and let’s make it forty years
Don’t lock me in with these people
Too late. Where’s your Bible? Why aren’t you carrying it? You know the law. And those don’t look like Trump sneakers.
Two hundred, please
American Century of Humiliation
