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  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Akshually, unlike in the West, the conservatives in Poland despise Russia with a passion. A conservative president in Poland isn’t going to undermine NATO (but for the EU, it may).

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      4 days ago

      I see your newly elected president’s fear of Russia. He should know better than anyone else (since he studied history) that for centuries Poland has been betrayed by its closest allies. And now, instead of cooperating with Ukraine, he is setting the Poles against Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians against the Poles (which, of course, benefits Russia). Hoping that the US will help defend Poland if Russians attack. But these are vain hopes - because as before, so now the US and the EU will betray Poland, you have the one and only friend, and it is Ukraine. Very soon you will see for yourself. Lets be clear peace negotiations are just a screen for a full-scale invasion in Poland

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          3 days ago

          You still do not get? NATO without USA is dead. Do you really think that Trump will protect Poland meanwhile betraying Ukraine?) Do not be naive. Trump promised Ukraine, Belarus and Poland to Putin in exchange for help in war against muslims

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            2 days ago

            I am talking about conservatives in Poland. Polish conservatives are vehemently anti-Russia so they won’t sabotage NATO unlike Trump or Orban.

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              Polish concervatives will not sabotage NATO - because Trump will) Poland soon will be a target. Do you still believe that NATO without USA will fight for Poland? Or will send military troops to Poland? If yes you do not know the history like your new president Karol Nawrocky. Did you forget what happened in 1939? or earlier? Did you notice how Trump betrayed Ukraine? Do you think Poland is special for Trump and can you guarantee that he will not betray you too? Conservatives are destroying relationship with Ukraine and who will help you then? Would you able to fight one on one with russia like we do? How would Nawrocky look at eyes of Ukrainian women and children, Ukrainian president if your country is attacked by russia? So my advice instead of inciting hostility between the Ukrainian and Polish people - think who will benefit from this hostility? On whom your politicians are working in reality? Is what they do are in the best interests of ordinary Poles?

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                2 days ago

                I never said I trust Trump or USA. No one said anything about them to begin with.

                If you know the politics of Poland, the Polish right-wing are different because they are anti-Russia. Nawrocki being elected will not negatively affect NATO. Judging from your profile, you are Ukrainian so you can relax about the new Polish president. Nawrocki was put on Russia’s wanted list after destroying a Soviet era statue. So he can’t be pro-Russia.

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                  Yes, I am Ukrainian and I saw such politicians in Ukraine who after 2022 run away to russia. We believed them. We though that really care about Ukraine… All of them were working on russia, spreading russian lie. For me is clear that russia is afraid of Rzeczypospolita restoration because this union will destroy Moscow regime. Accusing Ukraine and Ukrainian in Volyn tragedy, in honoring Bandera and Shukhevych are not acceptable. We believe it is antiukrainian and prorussian rythoric. Explain you why. Regarding Bandera and Shukhevych - they were fighting for independence for Ukraine like we do now. And they were fighting with Moscow - it is the one and only our enemy from ancient times. So critisizm that we honor the memory of this people is not acceptable. In the same time we are rejecting nazism - we believe that all people are equal and have right to confess any religion. Unlike in Poland. Regarding Volyn tragedy - we know that seim recognized Volyn tragedy as genocide made by Ukrainians against Polish people. It is absolutely biased decision. First of all Ukraine in 1943 was not independent to accept such solutions. Second it was a war and we were fighting on 2 fronts - with German nazi and soviet nazi. So your media, politicians and church want to present Ukraine in a bad light and blame it for the crimes committed by the Moscow regime. It is unacceptable.
                  Another example how russia want to destroy relations between Ukraine and Poland - occurred when Polish politicians (and FSB agents at the same time) such as Slawomir Metzen closed the border and scattered Ukrainian grain. Knowing what effect this would have on Ukraine, which lost from 5 to 30 million people during the Holodomor of 1932-1933…

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                    2 days ago

                    I am not a Pole so I don’t know why you seem panicking and writing a wall of text to explain yourself lol. My guess is that you live in Poland at the moment and I heard that there is ongoing tension with locals after taking in so many Ukrainians. Don’t worry, the Poles won’t abandon Ukraine. Because the good news is that the previous conservative Polish party that ruled Poland for 13 years have always helped Ukraine since the Russian takeover of Crimea. All major parties in Poland are supportive of Ukraine, because most Poles are anti-Russia (not against the Russian people but against Kremlin). Both Ukraine and Poland have a mutual dislike of Kremlin and Putin so your country and Poland will always help together.