• EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I said this before but I’ll say it again. After she killed her puppy Cricket in the rock quarry, she went back, brought her goat to the quarry and killed it too. Sick people hurt animals before moving onto hurting people.

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      I love how generic his kinks are, but to a right-winger they’re absolutely the most subversive extreme kinks imaginable

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    Don’t kink shame, but this is actually a funny and unexpected political cartoon.

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      We know kink shaming is wrong but I’m starting to feel like we should be kink shaming in this situation. A puppy shooting kink seems too far for me personally.

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      Absolutely don’t kink shame. But when a person’s political affiliation actively kink shames and marginalizes all people not cis heteronormative, the gloves are off.

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        From what I understand they’ve been basically estranged for several years and certainly she’s been enjoying the world’s least secret affair with her chief of staff since at least 2021 so I’m a bit wary of assigning her political positions to him.

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        Is that something that her husband has been known to do? Admittedly, I don’t know much about Noem, nor her husband, but I didn’t think he was the one making this a hypocritical situation.

        • He apparently has a thing for huge boobs, including his own:

          Unsatisfied with simply appreciating other people’s breasts, Bryon attempted to create his own. “You turn me into a girl,” he texted one woman. While posing for photos he sent to the women he hired, he seemingly shoved inflated balloons into his tight shirts, with the knots serving as makeshift (and egregiously misaligned) nipples. He also posed in turquoise leggings and pink bike shorts, both of which may well belong to Noem or another woman in his orbit, unless they were purchased for the specific purpose of cross-dressing.

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          Without agreeing or disagreeing, I’m just pointing out that the person you replied to didn’t say that these individuals kink-shamed, but that their political affiliation does. The contention seems to be that kink shaming is fine as long as you do it to Republicans, because their party is not accepting or respectful of the spectrum of human diversity.

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            One might also ask, if someone has this kink but they are not Republican, should they also feel shame because of this?

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              Yes that’s a fair question. I think it’s hard for a leftist bystander not to feel shamed. Similarly, we don’t hurl sexism at Republican women just because their platform tends to be anti-woman. Like I said, I am not agreeing with the contention, just explicating. If anyone asked my opinion, I would say that disagreeing with Republicans doesn’t make everything permitted. But then there are those who consider them Nazis and bring out the whole “punching Nazis” thing.

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        Are you allowed to start dropping N bombs if you meet a MAGA person of color?

        Are you allowed to be ableist if you meet a wheelchair-bound MAGA?

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          Ah, yes, the kink-shaming of… being wheelchair bound? What? This has to be one of the weirdest straw man fallacies I’ve ever heard. Care to give that another try?

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          Yes, you are.

          Do you imagine people lose the right to express themselves every time you disagree with that expression?

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              Against the Nazis?

              I’ll use any weapon that harms them, including goddamn slurs. In doing so, I use their hate against themselves.

              You don’t want to do that? That’s fine. Not everyone wants to win.

              It also explains why you spend your time fighting with liberals instead of the fascists you claim you hate but just can’t bring yourself to ever say mean things about.

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      This is not kink shaming, this is hypocrisy and just plain bitch shaming

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    (I will not post Kevin James with tits

    I will not post Kevin James with tits

    I will not post Kevin James with tits

    I will not post Kevin James with tits

    I will not post Kevin James with tits)

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    its been discussed on a sub, that this news was released to get rid of noem quickly, before the "crossdressing/ transitioning’ news starts to hurt DHS image amongst magats, given how transphobia is so entrenched.

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      Wasn’t she fired for misappropriating DHS funding with her lavish and expensive advertisements before this?

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    Oh I get it, it’s funny because he’s a filthy degenerate who crossdresses. If he was not that, and simply an accessory to a fascist administration, then there would be nothing to make fun of. Lucky for us super cool totally not fascists, he’s one of those disgusting fuckin abominations who gets off on roleplaying as the opposite sex and defying God’s natural plan.

    I swear to god dude, some rainbow-capitalist liberal government is what’s gonna send me to a camp if I ever get to one, yall are fuckin defenseless against fascism.

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      If she and MAGA were vegan, and there were pics of him scarfing down hot dogs like Joey Chestnut, you know they would be making fun of that. It has nothing to do with the act of what he’s doing. It’s how it reflects on her with their own self-imposed criteria.

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        You can tell lemmy is mostly white cishet men by comments like this. Gee, I wonder if there would be a difference between making fun of him for being a hotdog eater and him crossdressing as a woman. Is there, perchance, some other factors in our social and cultural context that would make one of these things more relevant to discussions on harmful values? Think about someone other than yourself and how they are effected by the normalization of jokes that targets a man for being a disgusting crossdresser and how that is a validation of your own perception of him as a morally depraved, social pariah. You think that maybe you uh, have some internalized values you aren’t challenging there bud?

        That you think you are just making fun of him “for being a hypocrite” is itself an indicator of how fucking vulnerable liberals are to fascist ideology. When I joke about liberals throwing me in a camp, the joke is not that it would be absurd for liberals to have camps, but rather how absurd it is to see how obviously incapable you all are of even grappling with what is wrong with fascists even though you purportedly hate them.

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      The difference is that fascists crumple under ridicule. It’s an idealogy entirely dependant on maintaining the appearance of incredible power (strategic, political and physical) and anything that makes them look lame or maybe a bit kooky completely subverts the entire premise.

      Therefore, setting aside normal rules of “no kink shaming” for example to redicule fascists hurts the fascists far more than it hurts those with actually extreme/subversive kinks. Fascists have no defense against redicule, meanwhile someone mocked for simply engaging in kink with other consenting adults can simply say “I like what I like and everyone involved consented so what’s it to you?”

      For a real world example, the Ku Klux Klan was heavily set back about a century ago when a journalist wrote an expose about how goofy their super-secret ceremonies are that they do behind closed doors, and suddenly people stopped seeing them as scary masked mobs but instead started seeing them as sad angry men who engage in silly dress up games with other sad angry men.

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        The fact that you think this is about being bad meanies and kinkshaming and not like, misogyny and transphobia while both women and trans people are losing their legal protections in the US is telling. You think this is about making them look “goofy?” Have you maybe considered you’re not in the position to intuitively understand how problematic the specific conditions of this “goofyness” is? I say intuitively as it is already obvious you haven’t read a fucking thing about any of these topics, let alone how fascists and liberals launder their values on these topics. Think for one fucking second why it would be bad to see these Nazis as engaging in “silly dressup games” specifically in reference to crossdressing as a woman.

        I do not give a shit about being mean to fascists, they deserve to suffer, I care about preventing liberals and fascists from reproducing their values and directing violence at vulnerable groups. If you’re still at the point where the debate is “be mean or don’t be mean,” you should step back and stop approaching these kinds of discussions as though you’re an authority. You wanna be mean to these people? Howbout you make fun of them for being fascists or at the very least don’t make fun of some other group to do it.

        Before you respond, ask yourself if you are the kind of person who should get a say on whether this is harmful.

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      I agree.

      I do get it. Part of me wants to do the same because I find their worldviews to be ridiculous and that makes me want to use them to insult them even more. It seems ridiculous, like telling someone “you’re a duck, quack quack quack,” and them then being gravely insulted. It’s just stupid. They’re just stupid.

      The reality, though, is there are enough of these bigots that they affect the reality we all live in, including the meaning of the terms they use, and this changes the implications when others use them. I don’t use them, despite my childish, vindictive urge to do so, because I don’t want to further reinforce the hurt they’ve already caused.

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        Here’s the thing, it doesn’t matter what is cathartic for you if your response to fascists functions to further their goals. The fundamental joke of this post is that this man is foolish for pretending to be a woman. Whether or not he is “stupid” for being a bigot with a crossdressing kink (as many bigots do), the common value both in his fetishization of feminisation and jokes such as this is that it is demeaning to present feminine in a male body.

        Liberals are far too self-satisfied with identifying “hypocrisy” in this man’s actions to interrogate their own misogyny and transphobia when they respond to it. They think their internally held values somehow reduces the consequences of their actions, so contributing to the genocide of trans people through the reinforcement of these values is misrecognized as justified because they are, “making fun of the bad guys;” much to the benefit of fascists.