Authoritarian Chinese gov is better overall, more progressive in R and D, and closer to socialism than USrael gov
No shit? The party line in Taiwan is the exact same as it is in mainland China: one China. The disagreement is over who is in charge. When you get off anplane in Taipei, you see a sign “Welcome to the Republic of China”. When you get off the plane in Beijing, you see a sign that says “Welcome to the Peoples’ Republic of China”.
Hopefully the people of Chinas can break free
From what
I think most people in China are happier than most people in the US.
Happier AND free would be better
I don’t think they feel unfree.
That’s an issue practically everywhere
China’s leader Xi Jinping declared people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait are Chinese and want peace.
Isn’t that pretty much what Putin said about Ukraine before invading?
Also Hitler called Austrians German before annexing them.
Well he was Austrian, not super surprising he felt that way about it.
It’s a common scheme, Authoritarian claims people in neighbouring country are ethnically/culturally the same as them, accuses the target country of suppressing “their” people, invades to “Protect” “their” people. Rinse and repeat.
Its hilarous how liberal just throw the term authoritarian whenever they like
how many country the non authoritarians have invaded?
Invading countries is not the metric by which an individual or government are determined to be authoritarian.
It helps if you have even the vaguest clue as to the meaning of a word before you object to its use.
It would also be helpful if libs stop using the term authoritarian if the govt doesnt hold show elections every 4 years
I also don’t think it’s anything new?
I’m not sure deep into the details of taiwan and china, but iirc they both more or less agree that they are “the china”, and just disagree on the exact details
The ‘Taiwanese’ currently on the island, for the most part, are Han Chinese and are literally officially Chinese citizens. They have a Chinese passport.
No one disagrees with Xi’s statement, but 67% and shrinking believe that because their ancestor were a part of a colonization attempt of the mainland 80 years ago, they are now a separate nation or something.
As someone who actually lived in Taiwan, this is utter bullshit.
The Taiwanese, not “Taiwanese” we dont say the “mainland chinese”, we say mainland chinese
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Sounds like your just giving the Chinese talking points weight.
Idk but I believe the pretext was ethnically “Russian” people living in Ukrainian territories. It is true that the two countries share a great deal of ethnic heritage. The Rus people were from Kyiv.
No it was nothing of the kind. He claimed Ukrainians were basically Russian, that is not about Russian minorities.
I think we’re splitting hairs. We agree that Putin is just using the subject of ethnicity as a tool for conquest.
Yes, Putin will use any misinformation and manipulation he can, including making a terrorist attack and blame it on others to promote his agenda. That is how he came to power!
Chechnya?
Yes
A common misunderstanding: Putin wants a piece of Ukraine. Quite a big piece, well all of it really.
why are you mad?
Is this controversial? Don’t people in Taiwan consider themselves Chinese? Republic of China?
No, that is only the official line due to history and political pressure from China.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Taiwanese_identity
You’re referring to native Taiwanese, which the current inhabitants of Taiwan largely wiped out during their most recent colonization attempt
I am referring to the opinion of the current inhabitants of Taiwan as expressed in opinion polls.
Ah then, no, they consider themselves Chinese. That’s the entire point. Specifically they are both Zhōnghuá and exceedingly few people contest that (hence the referendum trying to rename them from Chinese Taipei failing MISERABLY).
Some polls, especially from CIA-Backed NED Organizations show ridiculous support, but actual democracy in Chinese Taipei shows little to no support for a ‘Taiwan’ identity. Especially given THEY LITERALLY MASSACRED THE TAIWANESE PEOPLE AND STOLE THEIR LAND.
I don’t know what you are getting at, of the people who come over from China and Taiwan that I talk to, no one believes that the two are one “nation” with different opinions on who is the authority. They may believe there’s not a distinct cultural identity but none think the “no, there’s only one China and onlywe are the real China” is a thing in practice, just a political formality.
The ones from China do say they wouldn’t push their luck expressing that publicly, and one went so far as to borrow a computer to log into without any association with them because they were paranoid about using their laptop issued to them with the Chinese employer preload. He wanted to read some Wikipedia the way an American sees it while he was over on business.
Tangentially, another one from China was super excited to try to get someone to get him a gun to shoot. We did manage to hook him up with a gun range.
Lol, what are you even talking about? Since 20 years the opinion polls are clear: The majority of the people living in Taiwan consider themselves Taiwanese. There is a somewhat large minority that considers themselves both Taiwanese and Chinese, but when asked to choose between the two the people of Taiwan overwhelmingly (like 90%) prefer to call themselves Taiwanese.
Edit: but it looks like I am replying to a fresh Tankie sockpuppet account, so I guess no need to bother 🤦
They’re just referring to the martial law and white terror period that existed on the island for almost 4 decades. But it’s been almost as long since than it lasted.
It’s a pretty important period for Taiwan, but interestingly enough this shows that the people of Taiwan today are less inclined to maintain that stance despite that history.
However I wager that’s likely due to a rejection of association with the PRC than an identification with being Taiwanese alone.
The 2018 referendum disagrees with your mysteriously sourced polls
People can have one opinion and still prefer to vote against it given the likely consequence of the imperialist neighbor attacking them 🤷
They don’t consider themselves Chinese. But they have Chinese roots, with the vast majority of people having Chinese ancestry.
I mean, they certainly aren’t American or Japanese or whatever Westerners would like to believe.
You’re correct. They’re Taiwanese.
Liberals seething
I imagine the people of Taiwan are also pretty pissed. But that doesn’t matter to you, does it?
The “government” of Taiwan is the equivalent of if MAGA invaded Hawaii and claimed that the rest of the continental US was now called Hawaii and ruled by them. The Taiwanese govt is a historically far-right US puppet govt that is one of the biggest supporters of Israel and its genocide. And according to polling in Taiwan, less than 30% of Taiwanese people want independence from China.
They no longer bid for ownership over the mainland. I think that ended in the 90s, so that is just irrelevant. Secondly, your one poll still has the majority maintaining status quo, which in conjunction with the poll I already posted, means the majority of people just want to keep going with what they got, which is currently NOT unified with China. They also consider themselves Taiwanese in a majority.
Again <30% want independence from China
It’s about 25%. Which is quite a lot when the second largest group is just keeping the status quo, no reunification.
I dont think so, what Xi said is objective fact and people of both sides consider themselves chinese
I mean… It says otherwise in the article lol
it doesnt
Lol. Ok. Not my fault if reading comprehension and clicking the links in the article is too much for you.
ok bud
As we would say, 不知所云
But you don’t speak the language… Do you?
Not sure that’s a fact and it’s crazy that you would say that without any sort of source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_independence_movement has a different outlook. Putting 50% at independence and a sub 15% wanting reunification. So what do you say to actual facts?
its called republic of CHINA
Tolc is a dude who doesn’t understand the language and culture and uses AI to translate anything in the language of the people who live there. He’s just mad no one buys his BS.
He’s so angry lol
cope
Are you illiterate? Genuine question.
Well, close, they’re pretty clearly a tankie. So, same diff?
No
Oh, and North Korea or Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is democratic, for the people by the people and a republic or what?
Both countries claim the heritage of China
