• GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
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    Call me radical if you want but, I don’t think Subject A of our cause should be rights for a minority of our citizenry.

    Those rights should be unspoken truths we uphold regardless.

    The common man will walk by TRANS RIGHTS 4000 times before they walk by UNION STRIKE.

    The left needs to go back to focusing on workers, unions, labor, taxes, fairness and sense. Trans rights are important, and topical, but I feel the sjw yelling pushes a lot of people away from what our side of politics is actually about.

    There isn’t a single person I work with that wouldn’t toss a flier with ‘trans rights’ written on it in the trash the second it was handed to them.

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      I see your point but when basic human rights of a minority group are threatened, there is a moral imperative to organize to protect them, regardless of their popularity. There’s really no way around it. I think a framing that includes trans rights as only one aspect of a larger struggle for human freedom and dignity is the best strategy. Because there will need to be some discussion of trans rights if fascists continue to attack them. The alternative is to abandon a part of our community to violent oppression, which to me is unthinkable.

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      If that’s how they feel about basic human rights, then they don’t deserve to have support for their union, either. They are both about respect, and if you’re not willing to give it then you don’t deserve to get it, either.

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        Ah yes, the leftists mortal enemy, the less-idealogically-pure leftist.

        Of the people that care enough to vote, leftists are a clear minority. We need to find people to work with on specific, community-building goals, even if we can’t agree with them on everything (or anything!) else.

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    If you don’t stand for the rights of others, there’ll be nobody left to stand for your’s - so get standing!

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    Bet you they try to repeal Loving v. Virginia too. They’ll “leave it up to the states” I’m sure, so that them and their rich buddies can keep their partners. Looking at you, Mitch.

    I am emptied of all faith in their humanity or good sense.

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        Privileged people like him will certainly expect there to be workaround and loopholes. He’d just get a marriage cert in a state that allows it. Depend on it.

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          In the abortion ruling, Thomas listed off a whole bunch of civil rights-related rulings he wanted to revisit. Obergefell (gay marriage) was among them. Loving, however, was conspicuously absent, and there’s a pretty obvious reason why.

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            I don’t doubt it. However if Trump’s team sent it down the pipe, I doubt he’d fight much - even a principled man finds it difficult to stand up to their friends, and that he ain’t.

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              I don’t think they’ll send it down the pipe, or be successful if they try. The process tends to have to start at the lower courts and work their way up. In all likelihood, lower courts would simply strike it down, and the appeals court wouldn’t see any reason to change that.

              There are ways to skip those intermediate steps, and they could certainly try to invent a whole new process just for the case. But when one of their biggest allies on the court has a clear reason to be against it, why even try? They have a hundred other cases they’d rather do to hurt people. If you follow the domino metaphor in OP, then Loving is way towards the back.

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      Why are all basic civil rights not enshrined in laws, but instead resting on brittle law precedents in the US?

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        Because it’s all imaginary and I can’t believe people seek comfort in a piece of paper and the concept of rule of law.

        A strongman, such as potentially trump but it could be any authoritarian in any country - will just wipe his ass with the constitution and do whatever the fuck he wants. It’s not like the law is going to stop him. He’s a convicted felon and he’s still going to be president despite that. And the J6 case (the only one with any real merit, IMO) that they had four years to prosecute is now dropped.

        Laws don’t matter. Laws don’t protect you. Laws exist to protect the in group and punish the out group.

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          That’s not really an answer to their question. Canada (with the exception of Quebec), also operates on the English Common Law model, but we’ve passed specific laws that intentionally codify things like abortion and minority rights. Just recently we added “gender identity and gender expression” as specific categories on which it is illegal to discriminate.

          So, unlike the US where the right to gay marriage is the result of a court case, in Canada gay marriage started out that way, but was then codified in law with the passage of the Civil Marriage Act in 2005. And speaking of English Common Law, the same is true in England, where gay marriage was legally enshrined in 2014.

          So it’s perfectly valid to ask why the US government has consistently failed to do this.

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            Off topic but how does Canada square away their English system with the one province under the French system? They’re nearly opposite systems.

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              Criminal law in Quebec is still based on the federal common law, it’s just matters of provincial jurisdiction that are under civil law.

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              Same way the US squares away their federal system. Some areas of law are federal, some are provincial. Quebec’s use of Napoleonic Law only applies to those areas covered by the Quebec Courts. Federal matters are handled in Federal Courts, so they’re not subject to Quebecois legal principles.

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            Maybe Canada was more proactive than the USA but it’s still a result of the type of legal system they use, that wouldn’t happen with Civil law.

            There’s still plenty of things in Canada that are left to precedence, we don’t pass laws every time something comes up.

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      “Leaving it up to the states” is how we ended up with gay marriage being legalized federally by the scotus….

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    Gotta gotta gotta go, true sounds, of a revolution,…

    Was in my pyjama and haven’t heard Agnost Front the last 20 years so thanks for reminding me of this song.

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    Unless that group is Pro-Palestine, then literally every other group can look out for themselves because logic be damned.