• алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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    6 hours ago

    What?! The bourgeoisie is the owning class of the means of production. They exploit labour and are the primary enemy of the working classes of this world

    EDIT: aristocrats are a feature of feudalism and it’s remnants

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      48 minutes ago

      Right. And what class is running Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street and the like that sit on the board with majority ownership of every bourgeoisie run business in the US? The wealthiest people in the nation.

      The bourgeoisie is being leveraged against the proletariat by the aristocrats/plutocrats through stock ownership. The bourgeoisie no longer own or control their own businesses in the US.

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        48 minutes ago

        You’re using class terminology in a way that doesn’t conform to any leftist current and this deliberately confuses the conversation. Furthermore, the bourgeoisie are the class that owns Blackrock, Vanguard, etc. You are using Petite Bourgeoisie to refer to Bourgeoisie.

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          47 minutes ago

          So the wealthiest people in the nation are the bourgeoisie according to Marx? Do you have a source?

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            44 minutes ago

            Even in Marx’s time, there was stock speculation, he even won money on the stock market on occasion. The Bourgeoisie are owners of Capital, this includes large financial and stock Capital as well. The subsection of the bourgeoisie that faces proletarianization is the Petite Bourgeoisie.

            You’d do well to read Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism.

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              31 minutes ago

              You didn’t answer my question, and now I have another.

              How did he invest in stocks if there wasn’t a Soviet stock system? Russia created the RTS (Russian Trading System) in 1995.

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                25 minutes ago

                “I have, which will surprise you not a little, been speculating — partly in American funds, but more especially in English stocks, which are springing up like mushrooms this year (in furtherance of every imaginable and unimaginable joint stock enterprise), are forced up to quite an unreasonable level and then, for the most part, collapse. In this way, I have made over £400 and, now that the complexity of the political situation affords greater scope, I shall begin all over again. It’s a type of operation that makes demands on one’s time, and it’s worth while running some risk in order to relieve the enemy of his money.”

                -Karl Marx, 1864.

                This isn’t about the RTS, but about stock ownership.

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                  19 minutes ago

                  That’s not owning the means of production of his own people. You’re altering perspective to match your system.

                  In the US, the wealthiest class are the oppressors. They own means of production through stock ownership or connections to Blackrock, State Street, Vanguard, etc. The middle class may have some local control in small scale, but corporate America is owned by the 1%.

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                    15 minutes ago

                    The bourgeoisie are not the middle class, but the wealthiest 1%. The Petite Bourgeoisie are the middle class. The Bourgeoisie used to be the middle class until they collaborated with the proletariat and petite bourgeoisie to overthrow the aristocracy.