• redmkay@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    I believe their success isn’t just a fleeting moment. It’s been a decade since the initiation of the Elite Player Performance Plan and a 25 years since the academy system began. Given the multiple levels of pro football and top-tier coaches in the PL, England is now consistently producing quality talent.

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      1 year ago

      Yeah but this stuff is cyclical. Germany also revamped their coaching and youth system quite a while ago and reaped the benefits of that but that cycle is obviously ending now. England need to capitalise on it before it passes

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      1 year ago

      How much of football ability is “coached”? I always hear that top tier ability can’t be taught but I’m not sure to be honest. Obviously need good base level genes but I think a portion can be coached.

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        1 year ago

        When you look at players like ESR and Saka who were in the academy from at least the age of 9, I’ve never known a top player to be recruited in to an academy at the age of 16 and make it to the prem for example. The difference I noticed when I played with academy players was their advanced understanding of the game (drilled in by their coaches). It was like they had cheat codes, they knew what to do. I’d definitely say coaching is a big part of it, talent needs to be nurtured correctly.

        I’d say they’d go hand in hand. I never even got scouted until I had a great coach (who took it a bit too seriously) along with a few other teammates. Low and behold that coach was an academy boy too hence he had that knowledge to share.

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          1 year ago

          It’s crazy how much of an understanding of the game you need to have to perform at a high level. You think you understand football until someone explains all the in-depth coaching and stuff.

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          I’ve never known a top player to be recruited in to an academy at the age of 16 and make it to the prem for example

          I’m pretty sure Gabriel Jesus is one of those players. He joined Palmeiras’ youth when he was 15, hence his “brings the streets to the pitch” attitude since he wasn’t academy cooked.

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            1 year ago

            I don’t know if it’s true, but I remember hearing that Giroud didn’t even start playing football until he was like 16 or so

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        1 year ago

        There’s definitely aspects of it that come from nature and nurture outside of football but the more players you train to a high level the more likely you will have highly trained players with the right characteristics to go on and become elite.

      • FlickMyLeftNipple69@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        It’s not just “coached” but also recognized and given the chance to do so.

        If coaching had no effect on football ability, then China should be a powerhouse today. The country loves football, the government pushes for football, but their coaching and infrastructure is not there.

        Even at the top level you see elite coaches can truly impact ‘footballing ability’. It was only a few years ago Joelinton and Xhakas were “donkeys” but last season they were undroppable thanks to the coaching of the team.