some other, also cool i doesnt have adam apple
also as full body - i definitly pass ~162 cm and overall body is ok
also i never grew facial hair(even no body hair at all)
(how hard it was been to get hrt at 15 and convert transphobic mom to normal)
I had my partner (who is cis-sexual) look at these photos, and she thought these two photos looked like a boy, but maybe trans-masculine was her guess. Then I showed her your first photos and she saw a girl. She didn’t realize the two sets of photos were of the same person (i.e. she didn’t think you were the same person in these two later photos as the person in the first photos in your OP) - just to give you a sense of how subtle gender cues like hair style, style of dress, etc. can radically influence the way you are gendered.
Thanks for the additional photos - I would say you’re solidly androgynous i.e. your sex is ambiguous. The short hair and brown shirt give cultural cues that you’re a boy. How your voice sounds would probably push someone one way or another, and how you dress will change how you are perceived. I can mostly see a girl in your first photos, and mostly a boy in these latter photos.
I would suggest growing out your hair so it looks more feminine, ensuring your voice is feminine, and ensuring you keep testosterone thoroughly suppressed (and at minimum maybe look to eventually get an orchiectomy to guarantee a future free from the threat of testosterone).
You’re doing great, and the fact you have avoided facial hair is huge. Protect yourself from male puberty - it is expensive to undo some of the effects, and impossible to undo other effects (like changes to your voice).
yea my voice is naturally girly
testosterone are near zero stable for 1yr
estradiol - sometimes is waaay too high, ~200pg now, last bloodtest said 469 pg and i lowered back (should be 150+ pg, even 120 pg at lowest give me strong T suppression 0.64 nmol)
dont ask me why i cut hair but short also okay for now
i want to grow out to chest and colour to idk what color
on reddit ive never got detailed answer imstead i will got depressing “you re valid” “4tranner” (they think are only 4tran dysphoric about every mm l)
those last three photos all I can see is a girl tbh, maybe the first photo has some androgynous qualities, but still totally see a girl (the hair really helps feminize the context)
I definitely think growing the hair out, and taking care of it & styling it in a feminine way will significantly help passing.
and yeah, I don’t know why trans communities struggle so much with honest feedback about passing; I’m not going to pretend my feedback or perspective is objective or how everyone will see you - I think we should all acknowledge that different people will see you different ways.
But maybe I’m just a brain-wormed 4tranner 🙃
Also, saying you’re valid in response to asking if you pass is so disturbing, like - non-passing people are valid too, it just has nothing to do with the context.
oh, I don’t have that level of expertise, lol - usually I think FFS involves changing the bones around the eyes, the eyebrow ridge, the jaw, and might include changes to hairline (I wish I could get my hairline fixed, ugh), and sometimes a nose job. The nose is technically aesthetic, but it’s still fair that it’s included in FFS because some women have noses that cause dysphoria because of how they developed under the presence of androgens (I hate my nose, tbh).
Because you seem to have avoided male puberty, I think your face is going to pass long-term and you definitely won’t need FFS. I don’t notice a jutting eyebrow ridge or anything. Your chin and jaw are within cis female ranges I think.
But I’m not an expert, though. Just seems to me like your face is good enough for passing, as evidenced by how well you pass in some of your photos already.
Also, remember that most people will look at you and unconsciously categorize you as either male or female, and then they will unconsciously ignore anything that contradicts that - if you pass as a woman, people will just interpret the way you look as a woman, even if you can clock yourself by certain features.
And remember cis people vary significantly in the way they look - there are cis women who are much more masculine than you (not that this makes your dysphoria any less, but in terms of knowing that with little effort you will be very secure in your passing and safety).
also i look up at photos pre-puberty puberty start
my skull isnt changed at all
even think im look better now than boy pre puberty
only diffrence i see now that i weight gained and grow up a little bit
so i really avoided male puberty coool, if i didnt get estro one year ago i think i ended with $uic*de because i was VERY DYSPHORIC in deep depression, and happy now (ignore brainworms im really happy)
some other, also cool i doesnt have adam apple also as full body - i definitly pass ~162 cm and overall body is ok also i never grew facial hair(even no body hair at all) (how hard it was been to get hrt at 15 and convert transphobic mom to normal)
I had my partner (who is cis-sexual) look at these photos, and she thought these two photos looked like a boy, but maybe trans-masculine was her guess. Then I showed her your first photos and she saw a girl. She didn’t realize the two sets of photos were of the same person (i.e. she didn’t think you were the same person in these two later photos as the person in the first photos in your OP) - just to give you a sense of how subtle gender cues like hair style, style of dress, etc. can radically influence the way you are gendered.
Thanks for the additional photos - I would say you’re solidly androgynous i.e. your sex is ambiguous. The short hair and brown shirt give cultural cues that you’re a boy. How your voice sounds would probably push someone one way or another, and how you dress will change how you are perceived. I can mostly see a girl in your first photos, and mostly a boy in these latter photos.
I would suggest growing out your hair so it looks more feminine, ensuring your voice is feminine, and ensuring you keep testosterone thoroughly suppressed (and at minimum maybe look to eventually get an orchiectomy to guarantee a future free from the threat of testosterone).
You’re doing great, and the fact you have avoided facial hair is huge. Protect yourself from male puberty - it is expensive to undo some of the effects, and impossible to undo other effects (like changes to your voice).
yea my voice is naturally girly
testosterone are near zero stable for 1yr
estradiol - sometimes is waaay too high, ~200pg now, last bloodtest said 469 pg and i lowered back (should be 150+ pg, even 120 pg at lowest give me strong T suppression 0.64 nmol)
dont ask me why i cut hair but short also okay for now
i want to grow out to chest and colour to idk what color
on reddit ive never got detailed answer imstead i will got depressing “you re valid” “4tranner” (they think are only 4tran dysphoric about every mm l)
those last three photos all I can see is a girl tbh, maybe the first photo has some androgynous qualities, but still totally see a girl (the hair really helps feminize the context)
I definitely think growing the hair out, and taking care of it & styling it in a feminine way will significantly help passing.
and yeah, I don’t know why trans communities struggle so much with honest feedback about passing; I’m not going to pretend my feedback or perspective is objective or how everyone will see you - I think we should all acknowledge that different people will see you different ways.
But maybe I’m just a brain-wormed 4tranner 🙃
Also, saying you’re valid in response to asking if you pass is so disturbing, like - non-passing people are valid too, it just has nothing to do with the context.
also if i somehow gain money for ffs in future which bones are clocky and i need to shave
oh, I don’t have that level of expertise, lol - usually I think FFS involves changing the bones around the eyes, the eyebrow ridge, the jaw, and might include changes to hairline (I wish I could get my hairline fixed, ugh), and sometimes a nose job. The nose is technically aesthetic, but it’s still fair that it’s included in FFS because some women have noses that cause dysphoria because of how they developed under the presence of androgens (I hate my nose, tbh).
Because you seem to have avoided male puberty, I think your face is going to pass long-term and you definitely won’t need FFS. I don’t notice a jutting eyebrow ridge or anything. Your chin and jaw are within cis female ranges I think.
But I’m not an expert, though. Just seems to me like your face is good enough for passing, as evidenced by how well you pass in some of your photos already.
Also, remember that most people will look at you and unconsciously categorize you as either male or female, and then they will unconsciously ignore anything that contradicts that - if you pass as a woman, people will just interpret the way you look as a woman, even if you can clock yourself by certain features.
And remember cis people vary significantly in the way they look - there are cis women who are much more masculine than you (not that this makes your dysphoria any less, but in terms of knowing that with little effort you will be very secure in your passing and safety).
also i look up at photos pre-puberty puberty start
my skull isnt changed at all
even think im look better now than boy pre puberty
only diffrence i see now that i weight gained and grow up a little bit
so i really avoided male puberty coool, if i didnt get estro one year ago i think i ended with $uic*de because i was VERY DYSPHORIC in deep depression, and happy now (ignore brainworms im really happy)