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Looks like it’s time to bring this meme out again.
To be fair, he was calling for more debates when he was running against Biden, who was … ineffective.
I low key think if sleepy Joe had another debate, he’d mop the floor with Donald. He was clearly sick during the last one, and aside from the 2 gotcha sound bites that dropped, he was actually the more coherent one. Trump was just spouting the usual lies and bullshit, but louder. I think if Biden had another chance he’d have been fine. Having said that, I’m glad the Dems have Kamala now who is not afraid to call out Trump’s multitudes of bullshittery.
I sadly foresee neither candidate being as effective in office as Biden has been. Trump will destroy us, and Harris will likely have every GOP voting against everything she tries to do, with some doubling down on sexism, racism, and who knows what other debotchery. Biden was far enough white, I mean right, that some Republicans would agree to things. The gloves seem to be off now; it used to be if you represented your populous wrong you would get voted out. Right now Republicans will vote directly against anything put forth by her, even if it includes cutting their own nose off.
I’m not saying Biden did all the right things, I’m saying he was able to traverse a polarized legislative branch and get at least a couple things passed.
I do worry that the “silent majority” (aka closet racists and misogynists) could fuck up the election. I said it on debate night that I worried people would run Biden off for that debate; they’ll be forced to run Kamala and the Dems lose because some people don’t want to vote a mixed race woman.
Having said that, she appears to be winning in the polls, and I hope it stays that way on election day. Long way to go though.
Harris will likely have every GOP voting against everything she tries to do
So exactly what happened when Obama was president?
Look at the Affordable Care Act vs Obamacare (yes, it’s the same thing- tell that to the Republicans), or the handling of the supreme Court while Obama was president.
Bipartisan compromise went out the window with a brown man as president; a brown woman having the potential to be president is already making their heads explode.
Didn’t the Affordable Care Act go through because the Democrats held the majority for 2 months in which they passed it without the GOP being able to block it? I could be wrong about that
I’ve said it before, they should use Trump’s time to explain why his previous answers to the same questions were lies.
The number one question for her to get right:
Voter: “Why does the economy suck so bad from my perspective?”
Standard GOP Answer: “Brown people”
Standard Dem Answer: “As a whole, the economy has never been stronger”
Winning Dem Answer: “Rich people”
I haven’t seen a Dem candidate other than Bernie answer this correctly in my entire life.
It’s not just a failure of policy and campaigning, it’s also a denial of basic reality which has allowed fascists to come in and offer an alternative toxic explanation.
Dems aren’t allowed to say that because they are owned by the very same rich people lol
the power move would be if she goes to Faux News
She accepted the Fox News debate, he declined.
More like the stupid move
It’s worked for Pete. Well spoken people can break through the bullshit, but it takes someone special. I’m not sure if Harris has that, but I think she may.
Having a conversation where one party promises to always act in bad faith is a bad move.
The Orange Shit Stain knows VP Harris will destroy him during a debate.
Sounds fun. Lets ask her about genocide.
She’ll enable it appropriately 99% less than the ONLY OTHER OPTION, who seeks to ACTIVELY ENCOURAGE genocide.
The problem you have here is that it’s simply not an important issue for most people that are likely to vote in this election. It’s not even in the top ten most important issues for the overwhelming majority of people. Harping on this issue does nothing to help, won’t change the core position, and is likely to end up harming the cause of stopping genocide.
“Soft on terrorism” is a good way to lose a fairly large chunk of voters (because the Oct. 7 attack was terrorism, no matter how you want to justify it). “Opposing genocide” only attracts a very, very small number of voters that wouldn’t have already been voting Democratic.
Is this shitty? Sure. Welcome to the worst nightmare of all: reality.
That’s just not fucking true dude.
Every person Ive heard of who would normally be rank and file for Harris and ain’t this year it’s because of the genocide.
It’s fucking ridiculousness that she’s left herself this open to failure because of some lobbyists.
For voters that lean Democratic, the top issues are healthcare (76%), SCOTUS appointments (73%), abortion (67%), economy (68%), climate change (62%), gun policy (59%), racial and ethnic equality (56%), and finally foreign policy (54%). Foreign policy covers a lot of ground, and it’s number 8 overall on the list of most important things to Democratic voters. While it’s hard to find polling on the genocide in Palestine specifically, the number of people for whom that is the most important factor is very, very low
It may be true that, of the people who are normally back-the-blue-no-matter-who that aren’t this year, that it comes down to genocide in Palestine, it’s simply not true for voters as a whole. You can argue that it should be important, but–again–“soft on terrorism” is not a winning strategy in a national political race, and that’s exactly how Republicans spin any support for the tens of thousands of Palestinian non-combatants that have been genocided by Israel. Including the Palestinians in the West Bank that are being murdered by Jewish right-wing extremists.
I hope Harris wins, and I hope that she does more than Biden has been willing and able to do. But if Trump wins, then we’re pretty much guaranteed that Israel is going to eliminate all Palestinians in the region.
I’m not wrong and you are citing something focused on “all” of democratic voters. I’m not taking about “all” voters; I’m specifically talking about the 2-3% of uncommitted voters in swing states for whom a genocide is a bridge too far
She needs to target a specific voter block that are literally registered democrats who are struggling to justify this vote. Yes, a small group, but you can not blame Arab American and Muslim voters for not voting for Harris. Harris has to move on this issue and it’s enough voters to get her back into the black in states that she literally just went from winning, to now losing.
I mean shit, steal Pelossi’s move and just become very critical of Netantahu. Literally it’s too late for AIPAC to do shit. I’m not even asking for a campaign promise here. A strongly worded statement or comment. Give us something, literally anything to try and get her maybe +3 in these races.
Good, vote for Trump, or stein or whoever.
I promise if you and all the people who consider Palestine their key issue voted for Trump it would still make absolutely no difference in the election.
But please, prove me wrong.
Ah yes. The projection that I’m the one not voting for Harris.
Every person YOU have heard of- in your bubble. They’re not talking about your friends. Your coworkers there taking about average voters. I’ve seen your nonsense here- you’re not average.
It’s not an important issue to a lot more people than you think. And yes, it sucks that people aren’t paying attention to it as they should, but look around man…
We are about to lose our democracy. Bigger fish to fry here at home.
Stop trying to make fetch happen, it’s not going to happen!
So brave. So enlightened.
[slow clap, shaking head]I want her to win bruh. And this is the stick in her spokes. There is no daylight between her and Biden, and no meaningful daylight between her and Trump.
She needs to win. She’s losing on this issue with the key demographics she needs to get the 1-3% she needs to win the swing states. Throw away the moral wrong if supporting a genocide. Quite literally, it’s just a strategically bad decision to not distance herself from Israel and this genocide.
Wtf are you talking about?
One is a literal convicted criminal who tried to start a civil war who has modernised bigotry and racism. Who gives away highly classified information and tells people that migrants are eating their pets
The other is someone who actually follows and fully understands the law
Do you really believe in a international Court of law of any type they can convict Biden or kamala of genocide?
I don’t. Because you’re blowing their involvement way out of proportion
But Trump already lost court cases for being a rapist at a minimum, and he is a convicted tax cheat
He’s literally going to hurricane affected areas and lying to people and telling them Biden is leaving them to suffer. And, the lies are so bad that even disaster response are having to waste time doing press conferences EXPLICITLY to rebuke those lies as they cause harm.
He does so much incredibly bad shit that people forget all the bad shit he does. The only way you couldn’t see a difference would be if your standards are super low. Sorry, there is NO comparison. Literally, the only real argument I’ve seen against Kamala is Israel (and they’re also an ally, so it might not be as easy as people think). With Trump, he still won’t change that (but claims he’ll create world peace), and he’ll fuck American’s to death (and many of us international people).
Internationally, it’s not even a debate between the two. He’s basically fucking up international relationships with lots of countries including Australia, and humbly bragging about being friends with dictators.
Nobody gives a fuck about the Palestinians who isn’t in a hardcore blue state.
Any remotely swing states could potentially swing right because they don’t want to see us being soft on potential Muslim terrists.
Trump could GAIN points by saying his first day in office he’d bomb Gaza to glass.
Ahh yes. The 17% of Michigan, registered Democrats, who voted uncommitted, in a swing state…
Yeah sure… ok.
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Yeah bud… MANY people give a shit about the issue. And while the gEnOciDE crowd are obnoxious… that doesn’t mean the underlying point isn’t relevant.
Chill.
I’m sure it’s relevant.
But holy shit they’re getting as obnoxious as the Trumpers at this point, and that must take dire dedication.
People should chill the fuck out, and they are absolutely harshing everyone’s mellow.
You sound like someone who is cool with genocide.
I wouldn’t say they’re cool with genocide, but they’re clearly unhinged af… I’m with ya on this. (Mostly)
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Why don’t you do that after the election, sport.
Cus she needs to win and she’s not. And it’s because of the genocide.
Everywhere I look… She’s winning, despite your accusations of gEnOciDe sUpPorT. Keep in mind that just becasue you create a reality that drives whatever nonsense you’re trying to say, that doesn’t mean everyone else has to adhere to it.
Code share so you can replicate the analysis yourself, https://codeshare.io/zl96xj. This is what I form my opinion: real actual data pulled as of about 30s ago when I ran the script.
Arizona. Increasing poll numbers up to the 10th of Sept. Declining polling since.
Florida, same story:
GA, same story:
MI, same story:
NV, same story:
Reality. Harris’s poll numbers were going up for a while. They aren’t any more. They are declining.
Aaaaand… where are you pulling this from exactly? OHHHH! Right it’s your own data. Amazing how it supports your argument.
You’ll have to excuse me while I laugh a bit before I summarily dismiss your nonsense.
These are from Nate Slivers data stores that I have access to. These are not his models, these are the raw poll results.
You’ll have to excuse me while I laugh a bit before I summarily dismiss your nonsense.
Thats because you don’t live in reality.
Riiiiight. If you say so. It stil doesn’t change the fact that you’re using your own scripts to support points that disagree with pretty much everyone else.
Look man. I’ve been around a while. I see things. You’ve been called out over this by many- MANY people with FAR more patience than I have, so if you want to know my take on it-
Just reference EVERONE that has ever disagreed with your rhetoric. Maybe… I don’t know-
Write a script for it.
bUt mUh gEnoCiDe!!!
If I have to choose between the welfare of my country and democracy and the welfare of the Palestinians… That’s not a complex equation for me.
Let’s ask you about your genocide. Lots of child and slave Labor probably producing the stuff you’re buying.
Foxconn had lots of suicides. Etc. What are you doing about that?
Israel at least in an Ally, so there might be some debate there (I don’t think they’re right, but at least there is some doubt in my mind that I don’t know the full situation, as it is highly politicised). I do know that Trump raped women though and lies
