The memes make themselves
These pictures are so creepy lol. Elon is gross.
the west:
literally australia:
I’ll be headed to the junkyard with all the rusty cybertrucks in a few years when he finishes this very clear non AI generated image project! I’ll no longer be useful! WOMEN ARE FINISHED. /s
Nah, we still need you for your uterus of course. And have you seen how terrible AI recipes are? You won’t be obsolete for a long time.
I forgot to put a /s on that, but yea, ain’t got one lol
Oh. Well. There’s always composting then.
Is this meme or news? I can’t tell.
Robosexuality is a sin
Electro-Gonorrhea, the noisy killer.
Misogynists and fascists like disgusting Elon aside, I do believe there is a serious problem on the horizon.
Just existing AI capabilities, “cyberdildonics” and virtual reality headsets. It doesn’t have to be a full sized sex robot, simple hardware like the handy already exists.
Imagine combining that with a ChatGPT and video generating AI that is designed to create “engagement” similar to how social media does this - not just with sexual pleasure but also through generated stories creating a pseudo intimacy based on illusion.
It sounds pathetic but algorithms could relatively quickly generate the “ideal” forms of pornography and stimulation to maximize pleasure, including “aural” stimulation and sex stories. And that generated for the tastes and desires of each individual.
So there is at least the possibility of a kind of addiction or at least habit forming from a kind of “ultra porn”. Long term this will lead to changes in dating and procreation and socialization, if sexual desires are being able to be fulfilled illusionary and in a fantasy world.
No matter how pathetic you think this is, it’s going to be a real problem or at least disruption. Obviously it won’t be a feminist “self own”.
sexual desires are being able to be fulfilled illusionary and in a fantasy world.
Aren’t we pretty much there already? Dating and being together is about so much more than sex, the loneliness epidemic has other causes.
A lot of it has to do with options. Not good or bad, but options.
You go into a store and want to buy milk, and instead of there being the local milk selections there is now 50,000 different choices. So we always seem to hold out for that more ideal option and never really select one.
This might be where modern dating is going. Fight Club talked about the single serving friend. Tinder style dating has turned us into single serving partner.
Window shopping on a hookup site is one thing, it seems a bit like some people have just not gotten the memo that that’s not what a long-term relationship looks like. Superficial stuff is nice but I’d rather find someone I really, really like. Can’t really window shop for that though and it might take a long, long time to actually find out if the feelings match reality.
Apparently a large amount of people are essentially casting someone for the role of partner though. Never really taking down their personality defenses, never just being themselves. Because that’s being vulnerable. 1800s style. I’d rather stay single.
You’re kinda describing a “doll house” from Cyberpunk 2077, except it’s ai controlled humans that get their memories wiped performing the service instead of a vr headset
A man can only come that many times a day, but can already doom scroll all day…
Eh, I think it will broadly be a good thing. Perhaps there will be addiction problems, but you can already basically see any kind of porn you want with minimal effort… This refinement will only have drastic effects on the most niche fetishists.
Plus, anyone who has tried prompting an image generator to do something that isn’t a digital art image of a sexy elf in the forest knows it’s a real pain to actually get models to do exactly what you want. As they get more sophisticated I don’t see this changing. Porn video generation will be fraught with frustration and difficulty… Most likely generating good porn will be a whole job of its own.
Well we’re both speculating, but I believe AI will advance to the point it can reliably animate a 3D animated “girlfriend” in a virtual environment and then learn how exactly how to maximize pleasure and create erotic stories. With more advance teledildonics being able to simulate different types of sex it could become better at that then the best “courtesan”. Fantasy is often better than sex already, but what happens when you have visual, physical and erotic narrative woven together?
Well it certainly sounds like it will make for a great wank experience but it’s not going to replace my relationship any time soon lol
Your relationship won’t be the issue. It will be the millions of high school boys who grow up with this experience rather than attempt dating. And why would they date? That person has problems, isn’t “on” 100% of the time. For a young man they can get everything they think they need from an AI wankfest.
I am 100% behind this. If you want to fuck a robot because “western women” are “to blame” then you go right ahead. Take you and your robot back home and don’t come out until you can play well with others.
Deal
I don’t know why people are downvoting you. I applaud your honesty. Have you considered shutting yourself away with a sex doll while you wait for a robot sex slave? It would save us all much consternation.
Oh no, the shittiest men in the world will stop being a problem, the horror.
I hope they make them with teeth
I love the logic here: if you won’t fuck us, we’ll fuck machines.
that’ll show 'em. goddamn.
I mean, for the crowd of people we’re referencing here, that’s probably easier than them learning how to not be complete shitbag assholes to women.
not wrong… not wrong at all.
Machines: actually…
Detroit: Become Human
This was just a ploy so he could kiss some hot models.
they’re all ai generated lmao
He pays for sex already so … And ofc it’s AI
He has dropped the animal-girl project on behalf of this? Shame to him! 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah wtf i need foxgirls. At least make foxgirl robots if it has to be robots
No big surprise we have a anti feminism group here in Australia.
Probably full of the same dickheads causing all issues here in Australia (lots of them tend to be construction or truckies for whatever reason)
Rupert Murdoch didn’t fall out of eucalyptus tree?
Although I’m certain he’s smooth brained like a koala.
Probably has chlymidia like most of them too
There are anti-feminists groups in every developed country.
lol this would be amazing news for straight women. it should be super cheap and accessible too. imagine the number of weirdos who will preliminate themselves from dating before you even know them. what a wonderful gift to the world. it’s great for straight men too, if the women won’t have to spelunk through so much garbage to find a normal dude.
It’s subjective who’s a normal dude and whether that intersects with weirdos who preliminate (interesting word) themselves from dating before you even know them.
I’m definitely in the latter group except for a few very rare events (all of which did not end very well, though for some of them others say I dodged a bullet, and for some of them I’ve reevaluated the events and myself think I dodged a bullet, though the person is good, but they too have problems unfixed yet which would make it a dumpster fire, and some of them ended such a nightmare that I suspect I should be glad we weren’t deeper into things … tldr I’m one of those weirdos)
But this really would be amazing news for everyone if we assume a good enough physical imitation is possible. Let them. Plastic grass, fabric flowers, rubber “stone” or “brick” walls, electric fireplaces, search engines instead of actually judging for yourself whom you’d want to ask and what you’d want to read, social media instead of a forum (the Roman one, though early 00s ones were good) or a homepage, fashion degenerating into all girls at night looking the same (outdoors), the “genial” and “non-mainstream” authors’ names being known to every high schooler and all the same unlike Stanislaw Lem and Isaac Asimov and Chesterton and Simak and even Tolkien and Lewis, instead of ancap (like it or not, it’s a very firm and characteristic ideology, that has influenced cyberpunk in both ways) optimism\pessimism only cryptoscams and Gab and alt-rights around, instead of new computer-powered amazing art - some plagiarism machines, instead of transhumanism - some very persuasive bots, it makes sense that at some point this should come to moving dolls instead of romantic partners, and if people don’t choke on the rest in this list, they won’t choke on that too.
We do have Harlowe’s monkey studies that do indicate that even imitation is better than nothing.
My guess is that this plays along oxytocin receptors, which is also why things like weighted blankets do kind of work, social media does kinda work, etc. People can also take inhalable oxytocin.
There is no replacement for unconditional love (which means love that respects boundaries unconditionally as extensions of a person and their autonomy) and community though. But that doesn’t mean women should endanger themselves so dangerous men who enjoy being controlling (like Musk) can have oxytocin. Because then that means women don’t get unconditional love and respect for their boundaries and safety.
I am agreeable to these robots but I also have some reservations as a sex worker. First, there is a substantial male population who cannot hire sex workers because they have been blacklisted for various reasons. These men could benefit from a doll for sure. Second, similar to AI deepfake concerns - some of these men are basing dolls off real people, and some are pedophiles- what stops them from ordering a doll that looks just like the little girl next door? And what stops them from filming material harming and torturing these dolls and selling it online? Including material that could involve animals, feces, or other taboo/illegal/defamatory acts? That’s likely currently legal depending on the doll’s appearance (how young it appears) and local laws. Yes, it’s just a doll, so that’s better than the huge curremt online presence of monkey torture and real human torture. But don’t you think that’s also bad in some way too? On one hand, it’s comparatively a good outlet. On the other hand, holy fuck
Yeah, holy fuck, the morality waters get very murky very quickly when the topic of sex robots come up especially when it concerns taboo and illegal fetishism.
Content warning: moral discussions of sex-bots for very taboo fetishes below.
I think it mostly comes down to people’s personal tolerance of “ick” i.e. how much person A judges a fetish that person B has that person A is not into.
Some people are, understandably, completely turned off or even horrified at taboo kinks like age-play, roleplay-incest, CNC, scat, blood, etc.
Heck I’ve even seen some articles that argue that “mainstream” BDSM is the fetishization of women’s suffering and therefore inherently misogynistic. But I don’t think that’s a common viewpoint and not one I hold either.
Personally, I don’t care what sex thing people are into that doesn’t involve me so long as it’s not causing harm and it’s between consenting adults.
So springboarding off your comment about pedophilia and beastiality, which are both illegal for extremely good reasons: would sex-dolls or sex-robots for both/either be harm-reduction or harm-enabling?
On the argument for harm reduction; it’s an outlet for those fetishes that has no victim. Therefore it could prevent those who have that fetish from victimising children and animals because it’s much less risky and not illegal to use a sex-doll/robot for those purposes in private solitude. And who should care what weird things people get up to in private so long as it does no harm to others.
On the argument for harm enabling; it could push illegal fetishes that are quite rightly shunned by society towards normalisation. Shame is a powerful emotional tool used in animal social groups to discourage behaviour of individuals that are harmful to the group.
In a similar way if someone says something weird in person in front of a group of people they want to be accepted in they get ridiculed, feel shame and embarrassment for saying something weird, and don’t say it again in that group.
Now with social media, those people who have the same weird opinion (just to be clear everyone has at least a few weird opinions, no exceptions there) can find eachother and echo-chamber themselves, calcify their opinions into more extreme forms, and occasionally act them out in the physical world causing harm to others.
What happens when the technology of social media collides with the technology of sex bots? Like with the hypotheticals you gave of people “stealing” identities of celebrities to make their own sex bots or styling them after pictures of kids they found online.
What happens when they start sharing tips for making animal sex-bots with more realistic fur, exploring these problematic fetishes with others which normalises the behaviour in the group, until finally one of the group decides that only the “real-thing” is good enough for them now then goes out into the world and does harm?
I don’t know which side I fall on. And I don’t think I will ever know until I can see some conclusive evidence one way or another.
That’s as far as I will entertain these kinds of discussions because my “ick” point is when these trains of thought lead to asking the same question about simulated snuff.
Because that opens a whole other horrifying can of worms of what about making bots for simulated rape, murder, and necrophilia for those with psychopathic tendancies?
And for me it boils down to is the question “do we make objects to sell and commodify humanity’s capacity for evil as recreation?”.
As you are a sex worker, I’d be very interested to hear your thoughts on the ramblings above and please correct me if I’ve made any assumptions or leaps in logic.
Well, on the matter of dolls looking “just like” whoever, I think that should be legal with no reservations. The point we consider those acts you’ve described heinous and disgusting and so on is because real people\animals suffer. The rest is simply not our business. So if there’s no real suffering involved, this is not even up to discussion.
Releasing filmed material with dolls is another issue, I think this should be considered harassment, maybe even on the “rape threat” level. But again - scaled by the real rights being violated, not by what we want and don’t want others to do, because that’s not our business.
I’m not sure I agree about it being a good outlet, I think you are right about not being sure. That outlet logic doesn’t quite work the same with every person. Again, a person on the spectrum (like me) might use that possibility to play, and for them it will really be an outlet. A usual person with weird fetishes might do that too, or want the real thing after playing with toys enough, as with gateway drugs. A psychopath will likely have no use for toys since they only want real power over living beings.
As we all see with the Web and social media, lots of genocidal rhetoric has been normalized in the last decade that wasn’t before that. Don’t want to mention Azeris, but 15 years ago they (in the Russian-speaking Web) wouldn’t go to common places, because those places would expel savages ; now the common places are just as degenerate and hateful. I wouldn’t want the same thing to happen with torture and rape fantasies.
So - I think it’s a bad thing. In private they may do with dolls as they want. In public and in the Web - depending on how realistic it is.
There’s also a substantial male population for whom a woman being subservient is a turnoff, though, with knowing it’s a transaction being sufficient. For such people a doll could help with some purely physical stupid things, but those are the least of lonely people’s problems, so not very useful.
EDIT: Oh, another person has already said all the same things.
I’m right there with you. I’m mildly on the spectrum, though functional enough that no one would assume it unless they really got to know me, and while I am capable of having a moderate amount of success in the initial stages of dating, compatibility and styles of communication always end up being the primary issue, and that’s not necessarily a failing on either party. The fact remains though that there does not seem to be many people out there that I am compatible with.
I am fortunate in that I am generally very content being alone and pursuing things that are of interest to me for very long periods of time (the only thing I really noticed during Covid lock downs was that my commute to work was faster, while my much more social partner at the time suffered a lot mental health wise). Despite that I am, unfortunately, still human and desire a certain amount of intimacy and connection with another person. I’m not sure if it will ever happen, but if you have seen the new Blade Runner movie, I could absolutely see myself with a “companion” like the holographic one the main character has in his apartment.
Well, my notable spectrum-related personal trait is that I want to know the truth about things, so falling in love with pictures just won’t work, I won’t be able to expel from my mind the fact that it’s not real in any regard.
Unless a machine conscience of human kind becomes real.
Haven’t seen the new one yet.
That’s completely understandable.
I’m not sure if you are speaking generally, or to what I said specifically, but it may be worth adding a little bit more context for what I said originally. It is highly unlikely I would fall in love with an AI in the scenario I described above. It would more be about scratching an itch for certain kinds of interactions that I may not otherwise be able to have. I’m not sure it’s a perfect analogy, but it might be similar to the way I care about a character in a book or game, or maybe how I feel about a pet.
I think if we got to the point where an AI had human levels of general intelligence and emotion this conversation would be somewhat moot. The world would be so drastically different I don’t even know what kinds of assumptions to make about it to have a productive conversion about it.
The idea that Musk would have a black robot girlfriend is the most unbelievable part of this.
That was probably just a mistake from the racist image generator secretly adding the word black to the prompt
One of the best happy little accidents llm have brought upon us.
I wouldn’t put it past him to forcibly impregnate some diamond mine staff
*Emerald mine
I stand corrected
Racism and objectification go hand in hand though, plenty of real world evidence of that, from Jefferson to Strom Thurmond.
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