Honestly, I’m not the biggest fan of the tendency to interpret platonic relationships as sexual ones. I do get the desire for more representation, but I just wish the community wasn’t so willing to ignore regular old platonic friendships.
I’m sure that comes mostly from me as a guy who puts more emphasis on strong platonic bonds than sexual relationships. But I just don’t see Julian and O’Brien’s “bromance” as a boyfriend relationship, nor did I see Kira and Jadzia’s as dating either.
So speculation isn’t allowed either? When 2 people in a show are having secret meetings together I think it’s pretty normal for the audience to speculate that they are dating (which was the case with Kira and Jadzia). I’m just expressing my disappointment that this speculation was false.
Also, I don’t like it when shows include obvious hints that two people of the same gender are dating and then never actually show it. Because this tactic is very often used to bait queer people while also keeping their homophobic audience. The result is that many shows won’t actually express any queer relationships because hinting at it is enough. Not saying that this is the case in ds9, but imo it’s a bigger problem with more material effects than what you’re describing.
I’m not saying fan theories aren’t allowed, I just said I’m not a fan of it.
I would hardly call their outings “secret” when it involves Kira getting into costume and walking clear across the promenade before deciding the holosuite isn’t for her. I just didn’t interpret any of the details as “hints they were dating” when the simpler “friends going out to do something fun” was not only on the table, it was clearly the intention of the scene.
For the record, I didn’t see Garak and Julian as dating either. Sure, Garak may have been trying, but Julian was more enamored with the spy scenario and intrigue than Garak himself as a potential partner
Honestly, I’m not the biggest fan of the tendency to interpret platonic relationships as sexual ones. I do get the desire for more representation, but I just wish the community wasn’t so willing to ignore regular old platonic friendships.
I’m sure that comes mostly from me as a guy who puts more emphasis on strong platonic bonds than sexual relationships. But I just don’t see Julian and O’Brien’s “bromance” as a boyfriend relationship, nor did I see Kira and Jadzia’s as dating either.
So speculation isn’t allowed either? When 2 people in a show are having secret meetings together I think it’s pretty normal for the audience to speculate that they are dating (which was the case with Kira and Jadzia). I’m just expressing my disappointment that this speculation was false.
Also, I don’t like it when shows include obvious hints that two people of the same gender are dating and then never actually show it. Because this tactic is very often used to bait queer people while also keeping their homophobic audience. The result is that many shows won’t actually express any queer relationships because hinting at it is enough. Not saying that this is the case in ds9, but imo it’s a bigger problem with more material effects than what you’re describing.
I’m not saying fan theories aren’t allowed, I just said I’m not a fan of it.
I would hardly call their outings “secret” when it involves Kira getting into costume and walking clear across the promenade before deciding the holosuite isn’t for her. I just didn’t interpret any of the details as “hints they were dating” when the simpler “friends going out to do something fun” was not only on the table, it was clearly the intention of the scene.
For the record, I didn’t see Garak and Julian as dating either. Sure, Garak may have been trying, but Julian was more enamored with the spy scenario and intrigue than Garak himself as a potential partner
There’s a moment in ops where they’re clearly hiding from the rest of the crew that they’re hanging out.