A new set of Times/Siena polls, including one with The Philadelphia Inquirer, reveal an erosion of support for the president among young and nonwhite voters upset about the economy and Gaza.
lol. Okay, “young people.” If you don’t vote for Biden, you get Trump. And it won’t be the “burn it down and rebuild it” you think it will. It will be right-wing totalitarianism for the next hundred years.
I don’t like it any more than you do. But sometimes our choices are limited.
Well, in his defense, the burn it down part is true.
In all seriousness, he’s already caused damage that far outlasted his term. The Supreme Court, District court, and Appeals court appointments will affect them for decades. His regulations repeals will take over a decade to reenact. His tax reform exploitatively widened the already oppressive wealth inequality. We may not fully recover from a second term in their lifetime.
That’s what everyone kept saying in 2016, but he didn’t destroy the oligarchy. He raided the coffers and shat in the well water. His destruction of the status quo was entirely self-serving, and he left in place all of the systems he could abuse to benefit himself at the expense of everyone else.
Few people realized how much damage he caused until after he left office. He created a noise screen in the news like a magician diverting your attention.
Proof in point: We’re still suffering from the lingerings of Reaganomics. Both Bushs caused their own shifts against a progressive society, often by throwing out things built up by the previous administration to improve things. Trump did a lot of things too, but the ironic one is where he dismantled the very things that GWB helped create to fight worldwide pandemics (credit to George there for reading a book, asking his advisors how true it was, and doing something).
What people thinking this don’t understand is how much and how long it will burn.
Certainly all the “burn it all down” voters are going to get is they’ll spend the rest of their life in the fire they helped start. Maybe they’ll watch all the people they care about burn first, via health care, LGTBQ rights, prosection of political enemies, etc.
All it takes is one Supreme Court nomination during Trump’s term and we’re fucked for that much longer. There’s a good chance Thomas dies in the next 4 years, do we really want 40 more years of some young right wing radical in that seat?
I think that’s what young people really don’t get. It’s not just 4 bad years (although even that argument is a pretty privileged thing to say).
Thomas won’t even have to die. If Trump wins you can be sure we’ll see at least 1 resignation and replacement. They aren’t going to make the same mistake that RBG made, especially since they’ve had their eye on the ball when it comes to packing the courts with conservative judges at every level for decades.
Everything is in place for Trump to perform an autocratic authoritarian takeover of America. People need to be mentally prepared to fight or flight.
He repealed 112 environmental regulations in one term and wrote a record 220 Executive Orders, without any familiarity with the job of holding office, and during a pandemic. Imagine how much more effective he’ll be at destroying our progress this time around.
I can’t tell if that’s a joke but yes? They’re all relatively young for justices. None in their 70s. Granted, Trump pushed the envelope in terms of age for justices
Alito and Thomas are the two oldest on the court at 74 and 75 respectively. So there’s a good chance that whoever is elected in '24 gets a shot at replacing one or both of them.
DEFINITELY whoever is elected in '28.
So, for safety’s sake, we need a D win in BOTH '24 AND '28.
Replacing them flips the court from 6-3 Conservative to 5-4 Liberal.
BUT - then the next two oldest are Roberts, who would be the swing vote, and Sotomayor. Both 69 currently.
So in '28, they’ll be the same age as Alito and Thomas now. Likely to be replaced in either the '28 or '32 cycle.
If we get Trump, I’m fairly certain we won’t have another real national election again. It’ll be like Russia with massive “voter fraud” bills and EOs passed that completely neuter the ability to vote. The treasonous Project 2025 would gut the government and we’ll probably get that Schedule F bullshit that brings back the spoils system.
So while Biden is wonderful (he’s done a bunch of good stuff recently at least), Trump is so far down the fascist ladder there really isn’t any choice. I’m not excited to vote for Biden, I’m terrified of Trump being elected.
He had his chance to effect massive change, and he made everything he touched worse. His plan for healthcare was just “undo Obamacare” because everything was perfect before. I’m very glad he didn’t get a chance to touch that.
Burn everything down and rebuild is clearly not the panacea some folks wish. I get it, though. In 2016, most of the pro-Trump voters I knew self-identified as anarchists.
We have to fix this shit without burning it down. Too many people rely on things as they are (for good and ill) to enact dramatic change overnight.
I’ll be real. There was only one candidate in the 2020 Democratic primary that I disliked more than biden. And that was culty gabbard. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the last two presidential primaries. Biden is so far from perfect or what we really need. But has still been astonishingly good on so many things. Granted in our current state that’s a low bar. But I honestly struggle to think what Sanders could have done in a meaningful sense that Biden has not. I’m sure Sanders would have spoken out against the violence in Palestine sooner. It would still be happening exactly as it is now. But he would have spoken out sooner. So that is a plus.
But it really boggles the mind to try to comprehend how people can still be this uninformed. To think everything he touches turns to shit. No it just goes to prove the old adage. The left doesn’t need enemies with allies like the left.
Biden tried to do more than he accomplished, but got shot down by right-wing courts and the two ‘moderates’ in Manchin and Sinema. You think Sanders could have done better, given what Biden faced?
You realize it was Trump who was President during the worst of Covid, right? When a million Americans died and the survivors were fighting for toilet paper in grocery store parking lots?
All Trump.
Having world leaders laugh at him behind his back? Also Trump:
Well, I don’t believe for a second that Biden and Trump and tied with Gen Z. Right now, it’s “free” to claim that you won’t vote for Biden or won’t vote at all. At the end of the day, Gen Z and most young people will come out and vote for the one closer to their world view. Angry or not.
Ok grampa, it just so happens that condescendingly blaming young voters for Biden’s piss poor policies while in office won’t be the get out the vote motivating factor you seem to think it will. If Biden wants votes, he needs to appeal to voters, not just donors.
lol. Okay, “young people.” If you don’t vote for Biden, you get Trump. And it won’t be the “burn it down and rebuild it” you think it will. It will be right-wing totalitarianism for the next hundred years.
I don’t like it any more than you do. But sometimes our choices are limited.
Well, in his defense, the burn it down part is true.
In all seriousness, he’s already caused damage that far outlasted his term. The Supreme Court, District court, and Appeals court appointments will affect them for decades. His regulations repeals will take over a decade to reenact. His tax reform exploitatively widened the already oppressive wealth inequality. We may not fully recover from a second term in their lifetime.
That’s what everyone kept saying in 2016, but he didn’t destroy the oligarchy. He raided the coffers and shat in the well water. His destruction of the status quo was entirely self-serving, and he left in place all of the systems he could abuse to benefit himself at the expense of everyone else.
Few people realized how much damage he caused until after he left office. He created a noise screen in the news like a magician diverting your attention.
Proof in point: We’re still suffering from the lingerings of Reaganomics. Both Bushs caused their own shifts against a progressive society, often by throwing out things built up by the previous administration to improve things. Trump did a lot of things too, but the ironic one is where he dismantled the very things that GWB helped create to fight worldwide pandemics (credit to George there for reading a book, asking his advisors how true it was, and doing something).
What people thinking this don’t understand is how much and how long it will burn.
Certainly all the “burn it all down” voters are going to get is they’ll spend the rest of their life in the fire they helped start. Maybe they’ll watch all the people they care about burn first, via health care, LGTBQ rights, prosection of political enemies, etc.
that’s the point.
life is exciting if you to get to live through the end times.
it’s boring if you don’t.
All it takes is one Supreme Court nomination during Trump’s term and we’re fucked for that much longer. There’s a good chance Thomas dies in the next 4 years, do we really want 40 more years of some young right wing radical in that seat?
I think that’s what young people really don’t get. It’s not just 4 bad years (although even that argument is a pretty privileged thing to say).
Thomas won’t even have to die. If Trump wins you can be sure we’ll see at least 1 resignation and replacement. They aren’t going to make the same mistake that RBG made, especially since they’ve had their eye on the ball when it comes to packing the courts with conservative judges at every level for decades.
Everything is in place for Trump to perform an autocratic authoritarian takeover of America. People need to be mentally prepared to fight or flight.
He repealed 112 environmental regulations in one term and wrote a record 220 Executive Orders, without any familiarity with the job of holding office, and during a pandemic. Imagine how much more effective he’ll be at destroying our progress this time around.
A lot of people can’t understand 10 years in the future. Our animal inside wants now now now. Gotta store up for winter.
The problem with the Democrats is they are poorly selling the future, while the Republicans are “promising” the now, at the expense of the future.
Have we replaced all 3 of the democrats with younger ones so we don’t have another fucking nightmare from someone’s pride about their job?
I can’t tell if that’s a joke but yes? They’re all relatively young for justices. None in their 70s. Granted, Trump pushed the envelope in terms of age for justices
No
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Alito and Thomas are the two oldest on the court at 74 and 75 respectively. So there’s a good chance that whoever is elected in '24 gets a shot at replacing one or both of them.
DEFINITELY whoever is elected in '28.
So, for safety’s sake, we need a D win in BOTH '24 AND '28.
Replacing them flips the court from 6-3 Conservative to 5-4 Liberal.
BUT - then the next two oldest are Roberts, who would be the swing vote, and Sotomayor. Both 69 currently.
So in '28, they’ll be the same age as Alito and Thomas now. Likely to be replaced in either the '28 or '32 cycle.
it goes further, a lot of them don’t trust the court anymore at all. to them it’s beyond redemption so it doesn’t matter who gets appointed by whom.
If we get Trump, I’m fairly certain we won’t have another real national election again. It’ll be like Russia with massive “voter fraud” bills and EOs passed that completely neuter the ability to vote. The treasonous Project 2025 would gut the government and we’ll probably get that Schedule F bullshit that brings back the spoils system.
So while Biden is wonderful (he’s done a bunch of good stuff recently at least), Trump is so far down the fascist ladder there really isn’t any choice. I’m not excited to vote for Biden, I’m terrified of Trump being elected.
Thanks to our Constitution you get Trump even if you do vote for Biden.
Elaborate
I think they’re talking about popular vote vs electoral college.
In that case yes, fuck the electoral college.
He had his chance to effect massive change, and he made everything he touched worse. His plan for healthcare was just “undo Obamacare” because everything was perfect before. I’m very glad he didn’t get a chance to touch that.
Burn everything down and rebuild is clearly not the panacea some folks wish. I get it, though. In 2016, most of the pro-Trump voters I knew self-identified as anarchists.
We have to fix this shit without burning it down. Too many people rely on things as they are (for good and ill) to enact dramatic change overnight.
Yes I know right?
Marriage equality? Who needs it.
Giving unions the biggest win/shot in the arm they’ve had in the last 50 to 75 years? Poppycock!
Eliminating non compete agreements for most Americans? For fucks sake we don’t like competing!
Forgiving $146 billion in student debt alone? Who are we kidding. Everyone knows debt is an asset. And that since I didn’t get any debt relief no one else should either!
BIG / S ENERGY
I’ll be real. There was only one candidate in the 2020 Democratic primary that I disliked more than biden. And that was culty gabbard. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the last two presidential primaries. Biden is so far from perfect or what we really need. But has still been astonishingly good on so many things. Granted in our current state that’s a low bar. But I honestly struggle to think what Sanders could have done in a meaningful sense that Biden has not. I’m sure Sanders would have spoken out against the violence in Palestine sooner. It would still be happening exactly as it is now. But he would have spoken out sooner. So that is a plus.
But it really boggles the mind to try to comprehend how people can still be this uninformed. To think everything he touches turns to shit. No it just goes to prove the old adage. The left doesn’t need enemies with allies like the left.
Biden tried to do more than he accomplished, but got shot down by right-wing courts and the two ‘moderates’ in Manchin and Sinema. You think Sanders could have done better, given what Biden faced?
Nope. I literally said I couldn’t see Sanders doing much better really. I agree with everything you did.
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I don’t know about that. However, someone with so little knowledge as yourself as no business commenting on politics.
You realize it was Trump who was President during the worst of Covid, right? When a million Americans died and the survivors were fighting for toilet paper in grocery store parking lots?
All Trump.
Having world leaders laugh at him behind his back? Also Trump:
https://youtu.be/ncQFOsb529s
they don’t think that far ahead. they thing not voting is a protest and makes them non-complicit in the ‘system’.
just like all the dweebs who go on and on about how they are anti-capitalist in one tab while shopping on amazon in the other.
I don’t think humanity under capitalism has another 100 years of effective life left, tbh
So uh… good news?
Well, I don’t believe for a second that Biden and Trump and tied with Gen Z. Right now, it’s “free” to claim that you won’t vote for Biden or won’t vote at all. At the end of the day, Gen Z and most young people will come out and vote for the one closer to their world view. Angry or not.
Ok grampa, it just so happens that condescendingly blaming young voters for Biden’s piss poor policies while in office won’t be the get out the vote motivating factor you seem to think it will. If Biden wants votes, he needs to appeal to voters, not just donors.
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Removed, civility.
Now do theirs. Ageism is not civil.
Theirs wasn’t reported so we didn’t see it.
Glad to see we take context into consideration when removing content.
Calling another user an asshole doesn’t require additional context. ;)
What’s an effective mod approved word, since we cannot cuss? Jerk face? Too much? Poopoo head?
Is it just the words, or the meaning behind the words?
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…says the Russian bot.