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Worst fucking title.
Fear of peace? That’s pretty fucked up.
Fears of peace
Death to America
“Fear of peace talks”
Does being a member of hexbear instantly mean you have to spam all your posts with images? What a shitstain instance.
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Oh god I used a reaction emote oh fuck somebody please stop me
Ik, they are always so toxic, coming in and attacking people under the flimsiest pretext
Tell us what youre really mad at here. I can guess.
…the fuck kind of gripe is this? People post images in threads on the internet. For all the unbridled hate I see for the instance… posting and using images?
fears of peace
Sounds about right when it comes to what wine cave warriors crave and what they fear losing.
I heard those wine glasses go clink
edit like idk hours laterFUckK I heard them clink again!
ya know what, im actually okay with this little gag in my head
Great, another Hexbear brigading thread. Hexbear needs to be defederated, it’s a bunch of fake communists spreading authoritarian propaganda.
Agreed. Hexbear and lemmygrad idiots are pretending to be all for peace and yet support the war mongers in russia.
These instances are a magnet for dishonesty and propaganda. Plus they have a 4chan attitude towards discussions, i.e. they keep shifting goalposts if you press them and throw absurd statements at you while doing so. There is nothing redeeming of those places.
They didn’t even read the article either clearly lol
One Baltic official, requesting anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, told The Hill that Baltic states are concerned that pushing Ukraine into negotiations will have dangerous ripple effects throughout the region.
This is the “fears of peace talks”
cry ab it, oh wait you already are
The Hill is propaganda? Do you even hear yourself?
I didn’t say that and I’m pretty sure you know that’s not what I meant.
There’s a lot of silly and disingeneous people on this app, I have to take their written word at face value. You seem to think ad hominem attacks are worth detracting from the article published in The Hill, a news source that would normally fit your ideology. So even when your own trusted media is reporting that Ukraine’s a geopolitical and moral mess, instead you’re claiming it’s a group of people spreading propaganda. I think you don’t care about Ukranians you just want to be right.
If Ukraine enters peace talks now, have they gained anything or put their country in a better position since the original peace talks, which were sabotaged by Boris Johnson and British intelligence, over a year ago? Have they gained any significant territory since what was proposed then? Is their army in a stronger position? Are any gains since then worth the losses?
Just looking at it from a purely pragmatic and realpolitik perspective, I don’t see how anyone can argue that Ukraine has gained anything significant in this stalemate of a conflict. If they get similar results now, as what was on the table originally at the first peace talks, it means that their Western backers essentially sold a pipe dream to Ukraine that never materialised. Is the collective West ready to explain that to Ukraine, and the rest of the world? That they used Ukraine as a testbed for their weaponry against Russia, sold Ukraine a utopian fantasy that they’d be able to regain significant territory using Western weapons and tactics which never happened, and hundreds of tens to hundreds of thousands of people got killed or injured to accomplish very little.
looks like they got back a bit east of Kharkiv & to the north bank of the Dneipr—long before this last big ‘offensive’ tho. Russia might’ve given that pittance of territory up in a peace deal ooth.
Turns out that an offensive is really hard. Who would’ve thought? Definitely not centuries of military doctrine.
According to Ukraine it was uncovering the evidence of atrocities such as Bucha that ended any chance of peace talks early doors.
Uncovering mass graves of civillians is likely to do that mind you.
To provide context, we had a large number of videos coming out early in the war showing civilians taking up arms and otherwise impeding the invasion. They aren’t legal combatants by international law, but they’re not exactly civilians that got caught in the crossfire: they put themselves there.
What a fucking shit take lol
Nice response.
havent they breach crimea lines? they are the offensive now so they could demand more.
They managed to partially capture a handful of villages in the security zone after three months. They are nowhere close to Crimea. The offensive had been a complete disaster and Russia has so far gained more territory in the north than Ukraine has in the south.
Oh wow your comments are wild. Calling others nafo bots lmao and shit.
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Pull your nose put of Putin’s ass. Putin doesn’t want peace, he wanted to steal juuuust a little bit more and at this point he just hopes not to be assassinated by his cronies for fucking everything up
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I love how you just make shit up without any evidence.
I take it you really believe that Putin is executing a three day special operation to rid Ukraine from Nazi’s?
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Are you kidding? This is what has been claimed countless times since day one of the invasion. It’s the official position of the Russian government.
Fuck Putin and fuck you
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https://www.rt.com/russia/550408-special-operation-putin-donbass/
First result on Google. Rt is the Russian government controlled news agency.
It quite literally has the words even in the URL. And this is one of MANY announcements about the “special operation”
You’re either a troll, Facebook conspiracy theorist, a paid Putin puppet or just a really really dumb little boy.
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Fears of peace talks
What kind of bullshit Orwellian headline is this? Peace is GOOD, stopping the bloodshed is GOOD. We WANT less people to die.
A real mask off moment there.
Inb4 “acksually killing thousands over lines in the sand is good” rhetoric
Too late, that shit is all over this post already
Somebody think of the Lockheed shareholders!
Poor bastards need more stock buy backs
The only reason I opened the article, “whatchu mean fear of peace talks?!”
Like I get it, Ukraine shouldn’t capitulate. But ending the bloodshed is a good thing, surely.
To what end though? Freeze the border where it is now and give Russia another few years to build up force for round 3?
I suppose that’s up to Ukraine, right? They’re the ones fighting so it makes sense for them to decide what terms they’d be willing to accept.
So, you didn’t read the article? The fear is not about peace talks, it’s about support from the US forcing them while Ukraine is making progress.
But I thought Ukraine was a free and sovereign nation making its own decisions. You NAFO bots really need to get your story straight.
The issue is that we’ve already tried the whole peace thing before. Remember the Budapest Memorandum? The Minsk Protocol & Minsk II? The Partition & Friendship Treaties?
I feel like the heart of the issue is that Russia doesn’t want peace. If it did, we would not be here in the first place.
You mean the Minsk agreements Ukraine refused to implement for 8 years, and the west has now admitted were designed to buy time to arm Ukraine for the proxy war. Not really helping your case there bud.
…Ukraine refused to implement for 8 years, and the west has now admitted were designed to buy time to arm Ukraine for the proxy war
[citation needed]
can’t even be bothered to google? https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html
can’t even be bothered to google?
No, I’m invoking Hitchen’s Razor.
While I will concede the Minsk Agreement, there’s still the issue of the Partition Treaty, the Treaty of Friendship, and the Budapest Memorandum. All of which were meant to encode Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty.
Claiming there is no evidence for something that’s well documented is just flaunting your own ignorance. All of the treaties you mentioned were respected by Russia until US overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine in a violent coup. A fact that’s, once again, has been extensively documented in western media. It takes stunning amounts of intellectual dishonesty to ignore this and peddle your narrative.
The fear is that there is pressure for peace talk conditions to be less than fair to Ukraine, that this would be little more than appeasement of Russia, like what happened with Czechoslovakia in the 1930s
Ukraine was in a far better position when US and UK sabotaged peace talks last March, and Ukrainian position continues to deteriorate. So what exactly do you think delaying negotiations more is going to accomplish?
The hill is a pretty conservative outlet but this is a disturbing headline for sure. The only way to end the war is with peace talks, there is no other option. The better Ukraine does on the ground the better they will do in the negotiations.
Always pay attention to the commenter‘s instance. All three above are hexbear users, so expect a heavy pro russian stance.
Fears of peace talks
Peace bad, war good!
Did I get that right?
Defending your home is good.
The best way to defend your home is to stop the bombs from falling on it. Unless you’re not talking about people’s homes, families, and friends, but rather talking about some arbitrary line in the sand that people should be sent to die for.
Then why oh why aren’t you applying your reasoning to Russia? They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory.
If it’s all just pointless bloodshed over lines on a map, why isn’t Russia staying home? All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back.
They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory.
Why do you think Russia invaded, exactly ? they started the whole conflict after decades of making NATO encroachment along their borders a clear red line and being very clear what would happen if it was crossed
The US still kept meddling in Ukraine (and other post-soviet states), with Russia making every effort short of war to try and stop that - like offering loans just as large as the IMF loans for example, except without asking for the batshit insane austerity measures the latter did
Then the CIA backed a far-right coup there in 2014, and much of the following years were spent with NATO financing and training nazi soldiers there in preparation of trying to take back Crimea, while breaking the Minsk agreements in the meantime (I’ll pass on the various atrocities and huge reframing of nazi criminals as national heroes in Ukraine there at the same period, since it’s barely related, but it is worth a mention too)
Now both Ukrainian and Russian people are dying. A peace deal would stop that.
I wonder what part of this is supposed to justify Russia’s indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations
Lolyou think this is “indiscriminate”? Fuck, you should’ve zeen Fallujah or Vietnam or Korea. Ukraine has so much infrastructure and housing left in perfectly usable conditions. One of my major issues at the beginning was that I expected Russia to be much more violent and have been very surprised at how little of the violence has been on non-combatants
Russia has definitely not engaged in total war.
From what you wrote, do you have a major issue with, in your view, how little violence Russia has inflicted on civilians? Glad that you’re disappointed.
My point stands. All that blabber does not justify the acts of Russia.
I wonder that too
Russia can cry about their red line all they want, but it wasn’t in the treaty. The Revolutions of 1989 made it clear Eastern Europeans weren’t interested in Russian control, the Balkans were unstable, and the Chechen & Georgian wars stoked fear in the former Soviet states. All NATO had to do was open their doors, and again, nothing in the treaty forbade it.
1989 Revolutions? Wholesale dismemberment of the USSR more like. And treaty didn’t say it. The Russians sure as fuck did.
nothing in the treaty forbade it.
“I’m not legally prohibited from doing this” is rarely a good argument
I’m not sure there are any good arguments in geopolitics.
Are you suggesting that Russian aggression is justified because they demanded something of a sovereign nation which was refused?
They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory.
Yeah, that’s definitely what’s going on here
All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back
Not that Russia isn’t taking casualties, but why do Ukraine supporters act like they’re not the ones feeding their people into the meat grinder? Russia is dug in. You’re sending children and old men into a turkey shoot.
We’re talking about the fastest ways to stop bloodshed, not Russia. Do you think that ending the war is bad?
Well fastest way is for Russia to say “We’re done, here’s your territory back.”
Would be equally fast if ukraine said “We’re done, keep the territory”
Edit: objectively true statement downvoted for being inconvenient to the readerRussia being the aggressor State that didn’t respect its prior engagements (Budapest memorandum), letting them keep the territory they unlawfully took from Ukraine is a ridiculous suggestion, would open the door to the same thing happening again at a later date and would require way more negotiations than just respecting the borders as agreed upon in the 90s.
No, it wouldn’t. That would lead to more and worse violence as Russia continues it genocide.
I mean sure but what’s the point in peace talks if all it would do is just give Russia more time to prep to try the same shit they’ve been doing for decades now.
That’s why you love landlords
And that’s why you supported the breakaway republics?
Have you ever come by the term: wicked problem? Secession movements are a prime example of a wicked problem.
They are, but while wicked problems (what Bostonians call “math”) are very difficult to resolve to the satisfaction of everyone, some approaches are far worse than others.
Ukraine’s approach – failing to control the neo-Nazi paramilitaries in their midst, then allowing those paramilitaries to violate the Minsk agreements while running away from your largest neighbor and in to the arms of the U.S. empire, then skipping offramps in the lead up to the war and in its first months – was a particularly bad one.
can you hint me to some further reading?
On what, in particular?
failing to control the neo-Nazi paramilitaries in their midst, then allowing those paramilitaries to violate the Minsk agreements
This. The later parts I have read about.
Not being dead is even better.
This is the point that’s always lost on libs. They’re full on blood and soil over soil and blood that isn’t theirs. They can’t imagine negotiationg peace so then people can stop dying.
So you just surrender and don’t have a home anymore/die anyways?
What do you honestly think is going to happen to Ukraine if theres a ceasefire? Without using cartoon logic
It would have to be a really shitty surrender treaty to have the clause “Ukraine will surrender all land to Russia and will also die anyways.” Like you realize this is useless and dumb hyperbole right?
Why do you think peace talks equal surrender? How do you think literally all other wars came to an end?
Because context is a thing. Or do you think Russia would currently accept any peace deal that includes leaving Ukraine? Of course there will have to be a peace deal at the end, but currently there are no peace deals that would be acceptable to either party.
When there is talk about “peace deals”, such deals are implied to somewhat reflect the status quo border wise, which at the moment would mean that Ukraine surrenders. It’s Russia currently occupying Ukraine and trying to legitimise it, not the other way around. No shit a peace deal would be favourable to them.
“die anyways” ? how so ?
I’m sorry I don’t have the time or willpower to explain history to you.
What a pretentious thing to say.
Lol ok
Terminal levels of cringe
I would be so ashamed of actually posting this
Just don’t answer, it looks less ridiculous
and 
Very intelligent.
Why are you posting hex emojis outside of hexbear? You know that’s against hexbear rules.
How would Ukrainians lose their homes/die if a successful peace deal was brokered?
And then you get raped and killed. Like glorious Russia has always done throughout your history.
Ok Adolf
Do you think Russia went to Ukraine and they sat down in a nice comfy living room with a fireplace and discussed one country handing everything they have over to the other?
No, I’m aware of the fact that there’s an actual war going on.
I’m sure you weren’t one of the people celebrating whenever someone would post a video of that happening to a Russian on Reddit.
Reddit reddit reddit. That’s all you children talk about. Why don’t you just give in and make an account? It’s all you talk about anyway.
You didnt deny it, which wouldve been easy. Something you dont wanna talk about?
Don’t feed the hexbears.
What do you mean by “don’t have a home?”
You just have to read about the Great Soviet Famine to know how Russia regards the Ukrainian people. Well, all the people who are not the Tzar really. Putin has already started the latest genocide via war and stealing children.
The famine that affected the whole USSR, of which Ukraine was a part? What does that have to do with Russia, let along the “Tzar”?
Fears of peace talks
Seems like mask off moment. Now i will read the comments if i suspect the resident liberal warmongers are still on their lines.
EDIT: The condensed copium cloud over liberal posts is even denser than imagined, with multiple layers.
my thought as well.
How can anyone has fears of peace talks. jfc
I’m guessing they fear that like in 2014, they will have to concede land to Russia, which is what they did NOT want to do. It’s not the fear talks they fear, it’s the result.
Wow, that is some bad title. I would say concerns are justified if Russia can just keep annexing chunks from other countries. It started with Georgia and Ukraine and we can see the same events happening in Moldova currently.
Also if Russia were to share a proper border with Poland then that’s pretty much guaranteed WW3, Poland hates Russia with a passion.
These Baltic and Polish dipshits should just be airdropped on to the frontlines if they want the war to continue so badly.
Without parachutes.
Yeah, along with the dipshits commenting from somewhere safe out in the West or whatever that never learn from history about appeasement that doesn’t work.
No one “wants the war to continue”. But “dipshits” from Poland and countries near Russia know that they will not stop there, and after Ukraine they’re next.
This person is just trying to spread propaganda implying that it’s Ukraine and Poland that are to blame for the war. “If Ukraine would just surrender to this invading force, the war can end and everyone will live happily ever after.”
They’re carrying water for a hostile dictatorship.
Because the alternative is… To bleed Ukraine dry of able-bodied men?
Jesus Christ, just say you don’t like Slavs.
The alternative is for Putin to pack it up and go home and stop bleeding Ukraine and Russia (and those men who are being trafficked and conscripted from Cuba by Russia) dry of able bodied men.
Perhaps you think the entire European continent should just get it out of the way now and hand over their territory to this hostile dictatorship? That’d save a lot of bloodshed, right? We should be focused on doing whatever makes Putin happy because that means peace, unity, and no more war, right?
Oh I wasn’t aware you had the ear of Putin. My bad.
Right Russia will invade NATO countries.
If NATO nations prove themselves incapable of defending an ally, maybe.
Yeah if NATO ends up being a sham alliance then Russia wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine in the first place because they wouldn’t have felt a geostrategic threat of NATO missiles being places near their borders.
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Because nobody should ever resist becoming a russian citizen by force, right?
Bonus: https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/ukraine-russia-war-donetsk-putin-b2200925.html here is the guy (Gubarev) who led the pro-Russian protesters who blockaded and occupied the Donetsk Regional State Administration building in 2014. “We come in peace, unless you don’t want to become one of us.”
Said by someone who has never lived under occupation.
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Yes Ukraine is free to ignore them. The western coalition funding Ukraine’s war effort is also free to stop doing so. I’m not saying this to express that I wish Ukraine to be pressured to settle, but instead to highlight that Ukraine is not a self-reliant actor in this conflict.
Wasn’t Ukraine willing to have peace talks last year until our good pal Boris Johnson came in and wrecked it all?
I believe the peace talks fell apart once they discovered evidence of all the rape and murder committed by the russians.
I know it’s hard for a NAFO bot to understand, but Ukraine lost its sovereignty when US overthrew the democratically elected government in a violent coup.
Lol
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Here, in the US, people have difficulty accepting that America doesn’t have direct influence on all other nations.
Do you know anything about Ukraine or what Zelensky campaigned on for his election campaign? Do you know what Ukranians want? Are you Ukrainian?
I know they consider themselves a free, self-governing nation who can negotiate their own terms.
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Russia seems to be completely reliant on others economically and militarily also, but that doesn’t seem to matter to you
Russia has its own military industrial complex that it inherited from USSR that currently outproduces all of NATO, and Russian economy is currently growing according to the IMF. If you can’t understand the difference between that and Ukraine then what else is there to say.
Russian MIC innovations (from the USSR days) was largely driven by Ukrainians, but that’s neither here nor there.
What Russia has are deep stores. They cannot produce new aircraft without importing parts from the west. Not fixed or rotary. They are ramping up production of missiles, but so is Ukraine.
Russia cannot even produce ball bearings. They aren’t producing new APCs, BMPs or MBTs. They are importing ammo from North Korea ffs. And seeing how badly their equipment has performed, I expect to see their weapons exports collapse. Their vaunted “Armata” turned out to completely suck.
As for the economy, it is being artificially propped up by depleting foreign reserves. They are currently over-borrowing yuan to attempt to correct. And you really have to be a complete idiot to believe any official Russian data.
Russia is holding on for dear life in the hope that Trump wins the elections.
It’s almost like we live on different planets.
Imagine genuinely believing all that. It’s pretty amazing to see what guzzling western propaganda out of a firehose does to a mf.
Growing in the sense that it has lost growth year over year.
4.3% in 2021 2.4% in 2022 1.8% in 2023
inb4 you whataboutism with some other country…
and US mainstream media is now saying what I’ve been saying here for a while you’ve been ridiculing https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/09/with-all-due-respect-to-ukraines-foreign-minister-we-will-not-shut-up/
This is an economic war with the west, so yeah obviously what matters is whether Russian economy is doing better or worse than western economies. Screeching whataboutism when faced with that really highlights the quality of your intellect.
using disorders as an insult is ableist
Did Putin campaign on committing genocide? Is that what Russians want? I don’t think so.
Strawman argument you’re not worth engaging with.
I’m just mirroring your comment.
It’s not “peace” if Russia gains territory. Then it’s capitulation.
