Please don’t make assumptions about me, or make it seem like being a centrist is equal to being a nazi - which I am not. I’m also not “just asking question” like you state. Nor am I comfortable with someone in massive position of power doing a nazi salute. But it seems you already know who am I, what I think and what I’m doing. (You don’t know any of those) Im also not white knighting him- where did I do that?

I thought trying to make the point that when making points about Important discussions using logical fallacies isn’t the best way to go about it.

But continue to make assumptions about someone you don’t know and point your anger at the issue at hand at me instead. If you wanted to say I was being a contrarian or this is no place or time to worry about things like that- I would have ceded that, begrudgingly but I would have seen where you were coming from.

Instead you attack me, don’t acknowledge what I was trying to get across. Tell me how much more enlightened you are. God do people spend all day arguing like this online? Is that a great life?

Agree, backdown and concede is all you seem to tolerate.

You’re right I should just get off this thing, stop engaging and go live my IRL life. It’s much better than trying to engage with people on the internet. Thank you for the reminder. I’m going back to growing food, teaching people about food security, natural building and building community in real life. Despite what your wrongly accuse me of, I honestly wish you the best in your life.

Again. Not engaging with what I said, then attempted to clarify. I can understand if you’re upset about what you saw- that’s no reason to come at me.

That’s not it. There’s no reason to shut down. If you can’t even discuss what I’m talking about- how do you ever think you’ll be able to explain it to people who think differently than you. If you don’t debate in good faith - how are you any better than those you accuse of lying and being disingenuous?

It seems to me communicating about stuff like politics and ideology online no one ever wants to secede anything to the person they’re communicating with. Their mind is made up before. How is this helpful discourse to move us out of this place we’ve found ourselves in?

I’ve watched the full video multiple times. Looked at various sides “takes”. Read comments from both sides. Seen some bs on Both sides.

But if you expect me to believe you simply because you say so- or because I’ve gotten downvoted a bunch , I’m sorry Sir- but that’s not how I work. And I hope that that’s not how you judge things either. But if it is, that’s your right and I’ll respect that- just don’t go thinking you’re doing anything different than those on the other side in terms of making points.

Here’s an upvote

Please look back at what I said. Is that a fallacy or not? After letting me know that - you could ask me if I thought it was a nazi salute or not. Instead of just making assumption.

Man I’m not really on the internet very much- but it seems to me people like to debate or just plan argue in bad faith in ways they wouldn’t speak to people face to face.

Enjoy being perennially online, I’ve got stuff to build in the real world….yadayadayada touch grass

This is some poor logic. bandwagon fallacy. I get they aren’t your people- and I’m no fan of Elon as a person either- still you can come up with something better to get him on than, “If these people take it this way, then it must mean it’s true”

How many are in the age range for the draft? It’s not just total population, you can only really count those that are in the age range for army service.

I’m simply talking about fairness. If you had a specific example in regards to Harris I could take that statement serious. No one is claiming throwing anyone in jail. I think that by not taking this seriously and instead creating extreme hypothetical cases your not only not going to be taken seriously- but actually do the cause a disservice. By not honestly engaging and instead being absurd -you’re proving you have no argument and instead would just like to throw ad hominem around to avoid actual constructive conversation. Which is how we deal and figure out how we got here in the first place IMO. Best of luck

Nibiru? Is that you?

So how was this professional Pollster so far off? Claimed Harris win by 3 points and instead Trump won by 13 points. That’s a 16 point swing right there. Days before an election. Honestly, I’d think that was a bit sus from an objective professional pollster too. Now would I then spend time suing her? Prolly not- not unless I thought it was done intentionally, in which case she cast the first stone.

Much easier to find a new piece of steel to use.

Like someone said above- the amount of heat required to fill those holes will most definitely warp your steel.

You could grind down any burr on the holes and let it be with the holes. Not sure if that would still suffice for your requirements though.

I’ll just leave this hear…

The Battle for Your Mind by Dick Sutphen Persuasion & Brainwashing Techniques Being Used On The Public Today