Precisely, yes yes. You must consider that violence bad and so of course the Palestinians are just as bad as the Nazis because they both kill people and stuff. /s
Reminds me of the Walter Rodney quote. Paraphrasing here, but it goes along the lines of “By what standard of morality can the vioence a slave uses to free himself of his chains be compared to the violence of the slave master?”
My blood has been boiling for a while
Messaged them about this post. Their responses were:
“Their attacks were unwarranted just as they were against the Palestinian people.”
I responded with a very passionate “UNWARRANTED? HOMIE ITS A NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENT AGAINST AN APARTHEID STATE, YOU ARE BOTH SIDESING ISRAELI OCCUPATION?”
They say: “They are targeting, killing, raping Israeli civilians. Their actions only make the situation worse and will lead to more deaths. Now it’ll be less likely that Palestine will ever regain independence.” (What the fuck, they’re pretending like they support their liberation while condemning their acts for liberation. Unbelievable)
I say: “According to who? Fucking CNN? The Israeli government? I call bullshit. Even if those things did happen on rare occasions, there are always people in movements that can do bad things. That doesn’t mean you throw out the whole movement. Especially after you treat people like animals. Stop looking at it in a vacuum. Their actions make it worse? What do you offer instead, live under the oppressive Israeli rule? You are literally supporting capitulation over fighting back because “violence bad”. Less likely they’ll ever gain independence? Yes because it was so likely that the Israelis were going to grant it to them through diplomacy.”
They say: “There are videos on Twitter of the acts. As for what I’d suggest as a solution, I honestly don’t know. But what I do know is that this violence is unacceptable, just as the violence sanctioned by the Israeli government. And no. I have not been watching CNN or MSNBC.”
I responded: " “This violence is unacceptable”
So your solution is nothing, and you condemn any fighting back. You are by default supporting the status quo by condemning revolutionary self defense. All for supporting Palestinian liberation til they actually do something about it. We’re the black panthers wrong for using violence? Was BLM wrong in 2020? You’re literally just serving the right by doing this."
And then she said: I said I don’t know the solution, not that my solution was nothing."
I left that on read.
I’ve yet to see the Twitter videos. Not denying they exist, just saying.
I can’t stand liberals bro. Oh yes, wise westerner, tell me more how best to liberate their country on the internet.
Yeah they’ve got a certain taste
Not too much longer, hopefully.
There seems to be a simultaneous development of incredible animosity towards the state AND fascist appeal (at least around me) so it could go either way.
As other commenters have pointed out, the full takeover of fascists (going mask-off, I mean. We already are fascist obviously) does not mean the end of the USA. I do think, though, that the victory of Trump assuming it happens will speed up the reaction/revolt to the fascistic state in some accelerationist way. Can’t imagine USian society wouldn’t react to that in some way moreso than a Joe Biden flavor of fascism.
Hard to put a date on it. Could be next year’s election, could be 10 years, could be 20. All depends on how hard we shake the tree to make the apple fall.
I, for one, am going to dedicate a huge portion of my life to bringing this shit down, so I have hope. I’m only one person, though. Could be totally wrong and misplaced.
I actually completely agree with you, I’m glad I’m not the only one.
I don’t believe we’re on the precipice of a revolution or anything but given the right material circumstances, good organizing and mobilizing of the people, and a little luck, anything could happen in a few years time.
The contradictions are sharpening faster than ever before and they are a weapon that, if wielded properly, can deliver the blow to the US that the world needs.
If you would have told Lenin in 1914 that in just 3 short years a revolution was accomplished, he would have laughed in your face. I am not calling for head in the clouds idealism, or that America is going to collapse next month or something like that. My point is that it will take work and time, that revolution does not occur spontaneously, and that if we do this correctly I genuinely believe the US doesn’t have to be the last to fall.
That’s hilarious. Saving this comment for the next time I get into a discussion.
I know, he’s like a neoliberal “socially left” Ben Shapiro. Talks fast, insults, uses a big word here and there and calls it a day.
Actually, stupid Palestinian, I, the western liberal know morality and your situation better than you! Nothing can be clear. Both sides must always be bad, because I cannot conceptualize a government or organization that doesn’t fuck over the working and oppressed people as a liberal.